@5018 ahh ok, thanks for the info (Roger G.).

I’ve known it for a lot longer than Freddy with the OTL connection, because I’m constantly on the move in the headquarters and large VT’s and overbooking is avoided up to 2.5 Gbit/s on average.

Of course I would know where to call to reach a specialist for such scenarios, but unfortunately I can’t make that public here. With the hotline it’s sometimes like a lottery game in a case like this.

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4.: The attenuation value for Down is much too high. This means that your fiber optic cable is not completely clean somewhere


Nope, the attenuation values ​​are fine - they are normal values ​​for

For P2P, the attenuation values ​​must be approximately identical

EDIT - it was already explained 😉

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….keep on rockin'

    POGO 1104

    This is the reception level and not the attenuation. According to the ITU standard, up to -28 dBm would be in the green range, but many ONUs are even more sensitive (even higher values ​​would work).

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    @foobar I can’t confirm that from practice with the -25 dB. I have had several customers with -25 to -28 dB in the DN and -20 dB in the UP. This line was very unstable and did not deliver full performance.

    The dB refers to the line attenuation and not the transmission power/reception level.

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    No, the power level is not attenuation and, according to Swisscom quality requirements, this may be a maximum of -25dBm (XGS PONy) and -15dBm for P2P.

    There is also the value 0.25dB, which actually means the maximum permitted attenuation of the fusion splice.
    Yes, stupid, these are the same numbers that describe different things.

    You can get confused at times.

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    @AsianCoke wrote:

    My Internet Box 3 only achieves 2.4 gbit down/up. The fiber cable and SFP for 10gbit is installed in the box and connected to the power box. What can you do there?


    Maybe replace the Swisscom Internet Box with hardware that also supports 10 Gbit/s Ethernet ports in the home network (LAN)? For example Zyxel AX7501:

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Router-Hardware/Zyxel-AX7501-im-Bridge-Mode-Wie-ist-WAN-bei-pfsense-zu/m-p/655466] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Router-Hardware/Zyxel-AX7501-im-Bridge-Mode-Wie-ist-WAN-bei-pfsense-zu/m-p/655466)

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Erste-Experiences-mit-10-Gbit-s-XGS-PON-Anschluss/m-p/654872#M61777] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Erste-Experiences-mit-10-Gbit-s-XGS-PON-Anschluss/m-p/654872#M61777)

    [https://www.studerus.ch/de/products/zyxel-ax7501-with-xgspon-sfp/](https://www.studerus.ch/de/products/zyxel-ax7501-with-xgspon-sfp /)

    Operating XGS-PON “forced hardware” is generally recommended in bridge mode. Only “forced hardware” can/may/should be used on a Swisscom XGS-PON fiber optic connection, which is listed in the document “E_BBCS_Supporting-Document_Proved_Equipment”:

    [https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E\_BBCS-Documents/e\_bbcs\_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf](https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/ swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/e_bbcs_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf)

    https://www.swisscom.ch/de/business/wholesale/angebot/anschluesse/BBCS.html

    > Expand “Auxiliary documents”.

    An introduction to the topic of “10 GBit/s in private households” offers:

    https://community.upc.ch/d/16951-10-gb-abo/2


    @foobar wrote:

    It is clear that it is borderline at -28 dBm… that is based on a BER of 10^-3, then the FEC often stumbles (10^-12?)


    The dependence of BER and RTT for TCP connections on the maximum achievable data transfer rate can be calculated using Switch’s “TCP Throughput Calculator”. Enter BER (Loss) and RTT in the “Calculate theoretical network limit” section and the calculator will calculate the maximum achievable data transfer rate with TCP connections.

    https://www.switch.ch/network/tools/tcp_throughput/

    - Ordinary Swiss Internet connections use an MTU of 1500 bytes for IPv4. The input value for MSS should therefore be left at 1460 bytes.

    - Ordinary Swiss Internet connections have a bit error rate (BER) < 1E-8 (1e-06% = 0.000001%). Measured in the receiver after forward error correction (FEC).

    - The faster the Internet connection, the higher the bit error rate (BER) requirements. The faster the Internet connection, the smaller the value of the maximum permissible bit error rate (BER). This dependency also applies directly to the value of the maximum permissible packet loss rate for TCP connections (=> TCP retransmissions).

    - For servers located far away (high RTT values), the bit error rate (BER) requirements are significantly higher than for nearby servers (low RTT values). The same applies to the packet loss rate or the rate of TCP retransmissions.

    Behind the calculator in the “Calculate theoretical network limit” section is the Mathis equation. See:

    [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichbreite\_(Radio Technology)](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichweit_(Radio Technology))

    [https://fasterdata.es.net/network-tuning/tcp-issues-explained/packet-loss/](https://fasterdata.es.net/network-tuning/tcp-issues-explained/packet-loss /)

    [https://mobilecommunity.ch/wbb/index.php?thread/326-salt-fiber-oder-salt-unlimited-surf-f%C3%BCr-heimnetzwerk/&postID=2526&highlight=paketlossrate#post2526] (https://mobilecommunity.ch/wbb/index.php?thread/326-salt-fiber-oder-salt-unlimited-surf-f%C3%BCr-heimnetzwerk/&postID=2526&highlight=paketlossrate#post2526)

    BER -> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biterrorh%C3%A4ufigkeit

    RTT -> [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package circulation time](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package circulation time)

    MTU -> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Transmission_Unit

    MSS -> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Segment_Size

    The bit error rate (BER) or the packet loss rate of a TCP measurement can be measured, for example, with CNLab measurements. See:

    [https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine-pro-und-durchsatz/9](https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine- per-and-throughput/9)

    [https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine-pro-und-durchsatz/26](https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine- per-and-throughput/26)

    On the topic of “CNLab server for fiber optic internet connection > 1 GBit/s” see post no. 90 at:

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Erste-Experiences-with-10-Gbit-s-XGS-PON-Anschluss/m-p/669358#M62728] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Erste-Experiences-with-10-Gbit-s-XGS-PON-Anschluss/m-p/669358#M62728)

    and post no. 21, as well as:

    https://community.upc.ch/d/6897-extrem-holprige-connection/5

    Alternatively, the packet loss rate or the rate of TCP retransmissions (TCP retransmissions) can be measured using the network measurement tool IPerf3. See the IPerf3 section at:

    https://community.upc.ch/d/8569-gigaconnect-aussetzer/25

    and the contributions:

    https://community.upc.ch/d/8740-giga-connect-box/63

    https://community.upc.ch/d/8481-gigabox-massive-lagspikes/7

    The reference to ECN should also be taken into account for IPerf3 measurements:
    [https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine-pro-und-durchsatz/26](https://community.upc.ch/d/15729-unifi-dream-machine- per-and-throughput/26)

    For IPerf3 measurements on fiber optic Internet connections > 1 GBit/s, the IPerf3 information is available at:

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Pfsense-XGS-PON-IPv6-Swisscom-TV-und-weiteres/m-p/676191#M62947] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-Allgemein/Pfsense-XGS-PON-IPv6-Swisscom-TV-und-weiteres/m-p/676191#M62947)

    to note!

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    2 months later

    I’ll hang on here, not that it’ll get boring @Roger G 😉

    I’ve also had XGS PON (10Gbit) active at home since today. I’m very likely the only one who uses glass in the area because it’s only on the 4th/5th. It was available to order in October and nobody really knew. (Expansion at the end of September) and since October 6th the marketing/activation has been stopped.

    Surprisingly, I only get 1.68Gbit DS&US via the box’s speed test, values ​​seem OK. There should actually be more to it than that, any ideas?

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    I’ll do 1-2 additional speed tests later, but I can’t imagine that it’s due to network overload…

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    No, of course not, I stumbled across this thread by chance because I was just interested - thanks, work colleague, it’s not urgent at all 😉

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    So, the box has been online for a good week now, the values ​​are constantly the same, I actually didn’t know that the exact same values ​​were achieved several times in a row over several days in the speed test… 🤔

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    We’re already in the process of analyzing it, as I check the line every day. Very, very strange, everything is great in the systems. Currently it is not possible to explain what the problem is. The PON tree is almost unused, there are hardly any customers on it and if usage is only in the low 2-digit mbps range. I’m guessing it’s an SFP that isn’t doing what it’s supposed to do, but the real specialists are there analyzing.

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    Roger G.
    Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

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    @Era Please restart the router (it has never been rebooted since it was plugged in) and if that doesn’t help, please reset the part. Let’s see if there’s anything there 🙂

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    Roger G.
    Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

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    Whatever you have done now, it seems to have been done…

    I did a factory reset, the first speed test from just now looks much better, and there are now certain differences between UL/DL, so I would have expected that from my Arbeitgeber from the start 🙃

    I restarted the router on the day it was put into operation and even a day later, but it still didn’t work at all…

    Anyway, thanks for the clarifications!

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