How should Swisscom keep private customers out??? The WEKO order applies to all connections, so it doesn’t matter whether a private customer or a business customer uses the Anschluss.
The Vodafone IT argument only comes from people who have no idea but have an opinion. It’s not a bad thing that you have no idea, because we all have no idea about a lot of topics. But before you say anything, you should get qualified information first. And Facebook, YouTube, any forums are not a qualified place.
The purchase is 100% financed by loans, which will be repaid through the profit that VF IT generates. Unfortunately, fiber optic expansion does not pay off so quickly and easily.
@Anonymous
Why keep private customers out? How come? That would be completely illegal. Pretty naive statement like that in my opinion. The whole situation is very unsatisfactory for everyone, including Swisscom, and it’s your turn… But you can’t just press a button and all households will be converted within a few seconds without building permits, tearing up roads, etc… so you have to do it again can order fiber optics again immediately. It would be nice… Calling the hotline about a possible appointment is completely pointless, they basically only have the information that is available in the checker.
You can see it that way if you interpret the Swisscom media and the articles on it that way.
The courts acknowledged this fact when the precautionary measures were challenged and confirmed the measures.
And the ComCo ruling (which is also being contested) takes a position on this again. When it ordered these measures, the ComCo did not know that things would develop like this. The courts remained firm despite the pressure from Swisscom.
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2 months later
From Swisscom interim report H1 2024: page 12
• COMCO decision on P2MP FTTH architecture
appealed to the Federal Administrative Court
Swisscom Q2 2024 results, analyst presentation
a month later
@PatrickS wrote:
I took the liberty of consulting our line program regarding your zip code. There are mainly Zores canals in the streets. A cable pull is theoretically possible. In practice, countless work holes often have to be opened in order to be able to pull in a feeder. In the past, the lead-copper cables were wrapped with jutte rags and tar (additional insulation against moisture penetration). Over the decades, these tend to stick to the Zores. If there are several cables in the Zores, pulling the cable without holes is practically impossible. Especially if the Zores does not run completely straight between two cable ducts - which is often not the case. The more cables there are in the Zores, the more difficult it becomes. With a Zores that runs through the entire village, it inevitably has branch points. These hinder a cable pull again. Here too, work holes are necessary.
There are already fiber optic cables on the main street that were installed years/decades ago. However, these are intended for other purposes and do not end in the FTTH cabinet (OMDF) in the local headquarters but in a dedicated cabinet. This means that even if there were enough reserve fibers, converting to FTTH would be impossible or extremely complicated.
And then there is the fact that not every fiber optic cable belongs to Swisscom. There is the so-called FTTO here. Here a company pays a large amount of money to connect its headquarters with fiber optics. This also applies to the fiber optic cable between the headquarters and the company location. So-called “private cable”. Here you cannot simply use fibers for FTTH expansion. And these fibers also end in a completely different cabinet than intended for the FTTH connections.
And last but not least; The fiber optic cables that run through your village are also not sufficient for a comprehensive FTTH P2P expansion. Either way, additional cables would be necessary.
At some point you will also have fiber optics expanded - I am convinced. However, expanding it in your village is quite complex. Perhaps a road renovation is planned, during which Swisscom will lay new pipes and then use them for an FTTH expansion. But here too there is a BUT; The pipes between the local headquarters and your place of residence must of course also be able to be followed.
You see; A comprehensive FTTH expansion under today’s sewerage requirements would be extremely complex and, above all, very expensive! Like RogerG. As already mentioned, there are fixed budgets. This budget is calibrated and set annually. So you can’t just quickly connect a village like yours with FTTH.
@PatrickS Our building administration is finally renovating the village streets, i.e. opening the streets. I informed the network construction team of this and asked them to check whether the empty pipes for the fiber optic connection could be installed straight away or whether other preparatory work (if necessary, preparing DP shafts for the feeder) could be carried out, which could minimize the effort/costs? Then you wouldn’t have to tear up the streets later?! 😉
In your statement you mentioned that there are old Zores ducts and possibly lead cables wrapped in jute cloth (insulation) in the Swisscom cable duct system. Quite complex for P2P fiber optic construction in the village (8331). However, in the answer from Netzbau-Kollege it was explained that it is not necessary to renew or expand the cable duct system, but rather the existing route is planned to be used for the feeder feeder. This means that Swisscom is not taking advantage of this “opportunity” now that Dorfstrasse is open. It’s a shame that the synergy potential is not being exploited. In contrast, this also means that the effort seems to be smaller because there is no need for new pipes (feedback from network construction, since existing routes are used) 😉 But I suspect it is simply due to the cable pull effort over several kilometers (approx. 3 km ) from the POP on Hittnauerstr. 15 to the village. I’m just assuming this is the biggest bottleneck for you…
And I don’t think it would have been any faster without WEKO, because we weren’t in the scope of expanding PFA’s core zone back then, not even to install FTTS, i.e. mCAN, in the manholes.
a month later
“Putting fiber optics in Weiler is not profitable. Swisscom is building for Sternenberg for free. How is that possible?”
https://martincandinas.ch/buendner-nationalrat-half-bauma-beim-ausbau/
Whether the National Council can also help out in other areas?
Sternenberg is similar to my external location. Hamlet. A “fiberglass desert” in the truest sense of the word. We also have some politicians in my village of 900 souls, unfortunately all of them already at retirement age as “old national councilors” and second negative viewpoint working in the SVP 🙈. Well… then we’ll probably wait until 2030 or even later . My hope for before 2030 is intact and dies last 😆
You just have to make sure that some official measuring or monitoring devices are installed in the associated protected area, which can only be connected via fiber optics.
Alternatively, simply approve a building application for a data center, which would of course also help a lot 🙂
Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche Abhängigkeiten zur Swisscom
I don’t understand one thing: a month ago the local EW (canton of SZ) gave me a fiber optic cable (FTTH) at my expense. Now I can get internet via fiber optic from the local EW (uninteresting in terms of price), but not from Swisscom or other providers. My Anschluss does not appear in the Swisscom fiber optic query either. Is there any way to “unlock” other providers or do I actually have to wait years?
Hello @RogerF
You will definitely have to wait for Swisscom. As a rule, Swisscom does not rent third-party networks.
Excerpt from a newspaper article in the Luzerner Zeitung:
It may be that other providers will also decline depending on the local retailer’s price expectations.
This is also the case in Baden and the surrounding area where “Baden4net” has installed fiber optics in all apartments for free, and Swisscom is not involved there either.
Some landlords also refuse to allow Swisscom to install fiber optics in the apartments on the grounds that there is already fiber optics in the apartment and they should use this provider.
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@Nicolas_Bachmann wrote:
It’s kind of stupid.
Energie Seeland installed fiber optics for us 5-6 years ago, namely 4 separate lines. Quickline bought/rented one line, the other 3 are available for rent to all providers.Does Swisscom really want to add a 5th line?
Yes, unfortunately that is the case. In principle, Swisscom does not rent property. Either they build in cooperation, if that doesn’t come about - then alone - even in areas where other networks already exist…
I also have 2 OTO’s in the apartment 🤷
….keep on rockin'
@Werner wrote:
You just have to make sure that some official measuring or monitoring devices are installed in the associated protected area, which can only be connected via fiber optics.
Alternatively, simply approve a building application for a data center, which would of course also help a lot 🙂
@Werner Imagine that in our village there is not a single fiber optic cable laid underground, except for the one for the backhaul salt and some FTTN (UPC) and a few for company locations and these run along the main street Pfäffikerstrasse Wetzikon, otherwise “nada” 🙈 We don’t even deserve FTTS…. I’m far too unimportant if I would build a data center in my location 😜
Yes, we are slowly running out of patience here. My fiber has been lying unused in the ground for 1.5 years now. Swisscom has nothing smarter in mind and is appealing against the ComCo ruling, so that even more time is wasted.
We here “in the country” finally got a fiber even 5..6 years after the city or aglo communities. From a business perspective, I understand that the large metropolitan areas will be developed first. However, the fact that mountain areas or remote hamlets do not have to be given priority by the National Council is unlikely.
My frustration on this topic grows with each passing month. If Freddy offers it in our town, I’ll probably switch to him. Not because I had to wait because of him (necessarily), but because the internet monopolist (unnecessarily) chose the path through the authorities.