There seems to be a system for selling products with less performance than advertised. Anyone who is not part of the minority with a fiber optic connection will apparently be left with less performance for years to come. G.fast makes it possible for the VIvo M to offer a 100/100 profile for the first time. At Vivo L at least 300/100 would be possible for the first time. The copper customer finally gets appropriate value for his money. It’s not my fault that copper is still being used in a new building in 2015 in a small but very densely populated community. I am not prepared to pay the same as others with much better performance for services that I will never receive in reality. The prices in Switzerland are salty enough. This means I can also demand that the latest possible technology be offered. In my opinion, installing mCANs without G.fast is a waste of money. VDSL2 is already obsolete. HUAWEI will definitely take the “precious junk” back with thanks. 😉

1 Gbps is boring to me. When will 10Gbps be available nationwide for fiber optic customers?

@Tux0ne: I’m already bored with 2x a Giga:smileywink:

When I recently mentioned the 10GE, the reaction was immediate: what and and and…

So at least nothing like that will happen in the next two years.

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@Andreas St Basically, it’s not even a question of whether 100/25 is enough or not, but rather what the tough competition with UPC and other cable network operators will bring. These are already at 500/50 today and can easily offer 1000/100 by upgrading to DOCSIS 3.1. However, you have to be careful, as the media-hyped specification of 10 Gb/s down and 1 Gb/s up can only be achieved with adjustments in the upstream and downstream frequencies. To achieve this, countless amplifiers and distributors have to be adapted. These typically run between 5 - 862 MHz or newer ones in the 5 - 1000 MHz range. The downstream is basically between 5-65 MHz. With DOCSIS 3.1, this frequency band would have to be expanded, which is not an easy undertaking for what was once a purely boradcast medium.

And I am able to utilize 300 Mb/s. There are numerous servers that can offer at least 200 Mb/s for downloads. In times of clouds, YouTube, 4K, company VPN, etc., I no longer want to be limited to a paltry 25 Mb/s in upstream. This upstream is far from sufficient, especially in households with multiple participants.

It takes 10GE because I want that. Because the fiber can. Because the components could partially do it, because other systems will be able to provide more than 1GE, because I and @Herby could peer with 10GE.

Why not just 40 Gbit? 😉
According to Swisscom presentations, the next step after G.fast is XPON. So probably 10G-PON or XG-PON where you can have 10GBit. But.. PON is a shared medium.. so FTTH for poor people 😉
Since I can use my gigabit line every day, we can really save ourselves the “who needs” discussion… there may be people who like to wait, but for me a game like Doom has to be down quickly. And if the provider looks good (Swisscom is not the reference - remember Netflixgate..) then you get the service. With every speed upgrade, this topic becomes more important. Just because you can’t fill the line with a provider doesn’t mean that the service isn’t possible.

What kind of coverage is actually being achieved with FTTS? The full 50% (everything except the 30% fiber and 20% ‘unlucky’ areas) or less?

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Andreas: Do you happen to drive a car? If so, how much horsepower does the car have? You’ll hardly need more than 50, right?
How many rooms does your apartment or house have? Does it really take that much?
You can continue this as you wish.
You might be happy to pay over 100 Stutz per month for a cheap 100 Mbit. I prefer 777 per year for gigabit.
And anyone who believes that the average gigabit line is mostly utilized is dreaming anyway.

If I were a woman, I would probably say men.

I would say kindergarten.

@Anonymous

Yes, you can only stick something like this to the window: [http://www.askey.com.tw/pdf/BOND007.pdf](http://www.askey.com.tw/pdf/BOND007. pdf)

Luckily I’m on the Sunrise network 😄

@Tux0ne: To do this you would need a SIM that is unlimited, and Swisscom doesn’t offer that. At Infinity, use in such a device is excluded according to the Fair Use Policy, and the data-only cards have a volume limit.

@Tux0ne

Then one LTE cell will probably be closed pretty quickly if everyone who has a bad connection here does this:

(Source: widebandatlas.ch)

doom2

This is not an LTE bridge but LTE-DSL bonding.

I think this part will be included in the subscription. So in the expensive Swisscom subscriptions and a one-time cost of around 100 Stutz hardware.

The limiter would definitely kick in soon for you 🙂

@Anonymous: sure, but with your DSL performance you need a lot of bandwidth over LTE for a single SCTV stream.

@Tux0ne: I’m curious whether this is really unlimited.
If I remember correctly, a Sunday paper once wrote that Fiber7 customers average 3mbit. With this I would pull the cut down sharply. Just sucking because the line gives it away doesn’t help.

@Anonymous: with the whole gigabit story, my question, which belongs to Thrma, has probably been lost: will all connections that receive ultra-broadband by 2020 be built on FTTS/FTTB, or are there connections that will remain on FTTC with vectoring?

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@doom2 wrote:
@Anonymous: sure, but with your DSL performance you need a lot of bandwidth over LTE for a single SCTV stream….

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I think that SCTV is excluded from this, i.e. IPTV is still only obtained via the existing copper line, that this LTE window thing “only” upgrades surfing speed and probably only adds a limited LTE bandwidth, possibly 10, 20, 30 or 50 Mbit/s for customers who are below a certain copper/DSL limit. So E.g. Vivo M customers who get less than 20Mbit/s via copper can possibly be booked via LTE, for example 20Mbit/s… - that would at least be an increase of 100%

Distributing something like this to customers (only those who want one) is probably a lot cheaper than an FTTS expansion.

It’s all just speculation, let’s see what might happen…

That’s amazing, we can be happy with 20 MBit

Hello @doom2

Should I tell you our startup strategy? 😉

The fact is that we will open up as many connections with FTTH/FTTS/FTTB as it makes economic sense. I think that in the end there will be around 10-15% connections left over, which we will then open up with FTTC in combination with other technologies such as DSL/LTE bonding. But we try to do something in every community. This will be quite a feat of strength (human and financial) in the next few years. But don’t pin me down on the numbers. We review the strategy every year and there are always changes.

I think we’re doing well and our network construction colleagues are doing a first-class job!