new fiber optic cable for Internet Box 3

    • The new Internet Box 3 was delivered today. The changeover will follow tomorrow and the new box can be installed. A new fiber optic cable was also delivered with the instruction that the NEW cable should be used. Is this really necessary? Can’t I continue to use the existing fiber optic cable? Re-laying is extremely time-consuming.

    The box is also very high and must not be placed. Measurements and setup instructions in advance would have been helpful. Because of four-legged friends in the household, we cannot set up the box freely. The risk of tipping over and cable defects is too great. Therefore, the box must be placed behind glass in a well-ventilated box. But the space there is limited…

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    • The fiber optic cable currently still works with FTTH P2P.
      If Swisscom switches to XGS-PON from March 20 (the connections with a maximum of 8.8 Gbps, shared with 32 TLN, distributed downstream to all connections encrypted using AES) you will receive a new cable including an SFP plug. This is then red on the router side. You then have to change these. But everything in due time.

    In general it should work. But no rule without exception!

    I had an IB2 in operation and then connected the IB3. From then on the TV box no longer wanted… LAN ports 1-3 were just pure pixels, only port 4 worked. First the TV box was reset and the firmware was freshly installed. No success even with the help of the hotline. Replaced LAN cable, no success either.
    IB2 reconnected, it worked like the TV box.
    Got new IB3 in exchange, and same game. I was very amazed. Then it occurred to me to replace the fiber optic cable, and lo and behold, everything worked without any problems. It’s still a mystery to me today, but it was the fiber optic cable. Try it to see if you can do it without changing, but still keep an eye on the change if you also have problems.
    My old fiber optic cable was from the Internet Box Plus, but it no longer worked with the IB2 but no longer worked with the IB3

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    The fiber optic cable currently still works with FTTH P2P.
    If Swisscom switches to XGS-PON from March 20 (the connections with a maximum of 8.8 Gbps, shared with 32 TLN, distributed downstream to all connections encrypted using AES) you will receive a new cable including an SFP plug. This is then red on the router side. You then have to change these. But everything in due time.

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      Tux0ne

      Whatever it says in the instructions simply with a picture:

      [https://www.swisscom.ch/content/dam/assets/b2c/products/internet/help/pdf/11038994\_de.pdf](https://www.swisscom.ch/content/dam/assets/ b2c/products/internet/help/pdf/11038994_de.pdf)

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      Should I pick out the middle piece for the people who got a patch cable from Brack Discounter with LC/LC-APC instead of an FTTH extension? That would be a middle piece with LC/LC-APC or something like that 😄

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        @Tux0ne

        That’s what interests me now.
        I live in Lucerne, the slot in the router for fiber is marked blue. The cable has a green and a blue plug, and this works well.
        If they switch to this XGS-PON, will all customers need to be converted? Or how does this work?

        Ferdi

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          Hello @fmueller

          If you then want the 10Gb speed, you will get a new glass insert with a fiber optic cable, a red plug and a green plug on the other side.

          There will be a transition date.

          On this date, a technician will go to the Swisscom transmission room and make the change to your Anschluss.

          Greetings Lorenz

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          fmueller

          As a layman, I would say that customers always have day X when they have to change. But I can’t say that with absolute certainty because I can’t call myself Head of P2P to P2MP Rollback in any way.

          But it is like that. With an FTTH connection you currently have a direct line to the GE-FAN at Swisscom.

          With XGS-PON, a passive element, the splitter, is connected between a new NG-FAN (which is equipped with Huawei cards). This is an active move and I don’t think it’s executed automatically in any way. Therefore there will probably be a day X with an announcement of a service change.

          You can see the principle in the picture here:

          Spped should be called Speed ​​and FTTx is of course just FTTH and not an FTTB or FTTC, which would not be an end-to-end connection with fiber optic.

          xgs pon.png

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            Thank you @Lori-77 and @Tux0ne for your information.
            Then I’m probably well served with FTTH as it is at the moment. I don’t need 10 Gbps or 1 Gbps. For our two-person household, the smallest subscription is sufficient without any problems. 😉

            In the past, when there was still a daughter at home, things looked different with the bandwidth…

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            @fmueller wrote:

            Thanks @Lori-77 and @Tux0ne for your information.
            Then I’m probably well served with FTTH as it is at the moment. I don’t need 10 Gbps or 1 Gbps. For our two-person household, the smallest subscription is sufficient without any problems. 😉

            In the past, when there was still a daughter at home, things looked different with the bandwidth…

            exactly. I can also call myself “from”.
            I once enjoyed 2× 1Giga synchronously…

            But with 1× 50/50 I was able to live longer than a year…

            Just as a principle 😉

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            #user63

            Thanks for the lots of information. Since we are one of the test customers for the new technology, which will be rolled out from March 2020, it is now clear that we definitely have to replace the fiber optic cable - not because of the IP3😉. I’m curious to see how it all goes.

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            Purely out of curiosity. Would it also be possible to forego the FTTH extension and use the XGS-PON module directly on a 10 Gigabit switch - from there continue with copper?

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            @Nexus

            1. Only end devices (ONT) with a release according to BBF247i4 can be approved.

            2. The question would be which switch / device supports the SFP or SFP+ from the XGS-PON. I’m not aware of any at the moment.

            See this document: https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/de/ws/documents/D_BBCS-Documents/D_BBCS_Handbuch-Technik_V1-10%20(g%C3%BCltig%20ab%2001.12 .2019).pd f

            @Tux0ne Do you have more information about this?

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            a month later

            When I look at the graph, 32 users share a bandwidth of 10GB, which in purely mathematical terms means approx. 300MB per Anschluss if all of these 32 users use the network at the same time and with the same intensity.

            At Salt there are apparently 64 users.

            Isn’t that farmer’s trapping?

            I’m now in beta with 10GB, the first thing I bought was an 8-port 10GB switch,

            My existing 18 port 1GB switch is connected to one of these ports

            The new box only has one output with 2.5GB, the 10GB switch is now attached to it.

            The remaining bandwidth of 7.5 Gb is distributed between the other RJ45, the WLAN and perhaps USB 3

            So you can save yourself the trouble of purchasing a 10 GB card for your PC.

            But I ordered one anyway, it only costs 85 Fr.

            I thought everything about the field test was great so far. However, Swisscom should draw attention to the cable and publish the ordering option and the specifications so that you can buy the long one from Brack (20M or the short one from Digitec, 10m, yellow instead of white) cheaply.

            Have I understood that correctly?

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            @Oblomow58 wrote:

            When I look at the graph, 32 users share a bandwidth of 10GB, which is mathically approx. 300MB per Anschluss, if all of these 32 users use the network at the same time and with the same intensity.

            At Salt there are apparently even 64 users.

            Isn’t that a peasant trap?

            The question is whether this situation can or will ever arise in practice?

            The power distribution is exactly the same as in a residential building, for example. The connected load of the house is designed to be significantly lower than the theoretically possible sum of all apartments. It is simply assumed that there is a certain maximum simultaneous load factor. There are certainly empirical values ​​that have been used for years and work…

            The same with the previous copper infrastructure: The only one (10GB supply line in my opinion) is divided via DSLAM among, for example, 250 participants. It is also expected that not everyone will use 100% of their connection at the same time

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            ….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

            @Oblomow58 here is an alternative to IB3, quote from @Tux0ne:

            [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Router-Hardware/10-Gbit-s-SFP-GBIC-Modul/m-p/597836#M27913](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Router- Hardware/10 Gbit s SFP GBIC Module/m-p/597836#M27913)

            Swisscom uses Huawei FANs.

            2.4.1.1 End device requirements for XGS-PON
            1
            Only end devices (ONT) with a release according to BBF247i4 can be approved.
            2
            The ONT must be connected to the Huawei OLT (H901FLHF Service Board with HiSilicon SD5122 PON Chipset)
            work together without disruption.
            3
            The ONT must be fully compatible with the XGS-PON standard G.9807.1. The ONT
            supports:
            − the symmetrical XGS-PON 10G transmission according to G.9807.1
            − AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) encryption
            − FEC (Forward Error Correction)
            − Dying Gasp
            − 16 GEM (GPON Encapsulation method) port IDs
            − 8 Alloc IDs
            − at least 4 priority queues in the upstream
            − Unicast encryption in upstream and downstream
            − Encryption of OMCC (OMCI)

            [https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/de/ws/documents/D\_BBCS-Documents/D\_BBCS\_Handbuch-Technik\_V1-10%…](https://www. sw isscom.ch/dam/swisscom/de/ws/documents/D_BBCS-Documents/D_BBCS_Handbuch-Technik_V1-10%20(g%C3%BCltig%20ab%2001.12.2019).pdf)

            Here you can find a lecture from Huawei. [https://www.tec-forum.ch/FreeTextFiles/Events/4/Documents/11\_Huawei.pdf](https://www.tec-forum.ch/FreeTextFiles/Events/4/Documents/11_Huawei. pdf)

            The router and even more so the bridge from Huawei are promising.

            The router is already being tested: [https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E\_BBCS-Documents/e\_bbcs\_supporting-documentprov…](https://www.swisscom.ch/dam /swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/e_bbcs_supporting-documentproved-equipment.pdf)

            But as we all know, bridges or, at best, simple SFP+ modules are interesting, because software matters.

            I think there will be experiences about this soon after the release. At the latest when other providers (have to) offer PON services via wholesalers with a customer base of freaks via XGS.

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            If the provider’s delivery is 10GB / 32, a 100GB device won’t help, 300MB won’t work either.

            Unless my device would slow down the remaining 31 fellow sufferers.

            I now pay 129 Fr a month, which I think is a lot for a two-person household (I last turned on the TV last March).

            I think the beta test is quite good, but when it’s final I’ll be curious about Swisscom’s tariff policy:

            Is the 10GB/32 available for normal subscribers like me or are they planning a surcharge?

            Do you know anything about it?

            LG, Oblomov

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            Fiber P2P is also shared from the central office. This whole discussion is a very theoretical discussion. With XGS-PON you will get significantly more speed than with P2P today. Every network is built in such a way that it is used as optimally as possible. Anything else would be economic nonsense. We ensure that there are no bottlenecks in the network, even during peak times.

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