Postscript:
I use 2 external “clouds”, one smugmug.com, one vimeo.com to publish my photo galleries and videos.
I would now like to move this cloud to my internal NAS, assuming that the speed of access via fibre optics will then match the speed of the external cloud. I tried this x years ago, but it was jerky=useless. In addition, some of the NAS discs would be replaced by SSDs. Hence the 10 GB.
Or am I seeing this wrong in the context of fibre optics?
Greetings
gundi
The fibre normally has nothing to do with the internal network and your NAS, in any case a NAS will always be faster than an external cloud.
Important it is not recommended to use SSD for NAS because much deleting of data from SSD shorten the lifetime, in NAS I use hard disc and in normal environment where I use fast access SSD, of course over time some things have changed in the lifetime of SSD.
But you can say that SSDs are ahead of HDs in terms of speed and I have never had a failure with an external Samsung SSD.
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gundi I would now like to have moved this cloud to my internal NAS, assuming that the speed of access via fibre optics then corresponds to the speed of the external cloud. Tried this x years ago, only jerky=useless. In addition, some of the NAS discs would be replaced by SSDs. Hence the 10 GB.
Or am I seeing this wrong in the context of fibre optics?
As I said, one is your internal network - the other is the connection from/to the www.
If you want to move/copy the data from the external clouds to your local NAS anyway and then the “data pushing” only takes place in your local network, then only the speed in your local network counts.
The speed to/from the WWW is only relevant if you are moving data there or fetching data from there. Then, of course, your external Internet speed does play a role. But the question is how much constant speed Vimea or Smugsmug &co can provide you with. Presumably/experience shows a maximum of 1 Gbit/s - more likely significantly less…..
You can try out the 10G subscription and see how fast the data from Vimeo/Smugsmug arrives to you….
You can switch between the Internet S/M/L subscriptions yourself in your MySwisscom, this will take effect immediately and will be billed exactly to the day
….keep on rockin'
In practice, 10 Gig-LAN only brings advantages for large copy or file transfer actions that you absolutely want to complete as quickly as possible and not in the background 🙂
And of course it only works if the entire chain is 10 Gig-capable throughout, i.e. SSD, 10 Gig LAN adapter, 10 Gig switches, high-performance clients etc. on both sides of the process.
I’ve often thought about upgrading my internal LAN to 10 Gig myself, but due to a lack of real personal practical benefits, I’ll wait until the price/performance ratio has improved considerably, which could probably take another 2-3 years, and for the time being I’m limiting myself to making sure that devices that I want to buy new anyway also have 10 Gig capability.
However, as already mentioned, 10 Gig on the WAN is really only useful for occasional show-case speed tests due to a lack of sufficiently fast remote stations, and for this purpose you can always upgrade to the L for a short time and then downgrade to the more sensible M again immediately after the speed test 😀
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gundi Uh… if you want to allow some form of public access, my urgent advice would be: don’t do it. In terms of security, availability and performance, I don’t think that even the most enthusiastic technology enthusiast on a private customer internet connection will be able to manage this any better than any even halfway professional cloud service.
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
gundi Tried this with my current connection (60Down, 20Up) and especially the films only jerked. Not usable.
Then you can try it with fibre optics first with 100/100 and then gradually increase if necessary…
EDIT:
At this point, however, I urgently refer you to the advice from my colleague PowerMac one post above…..
….keep on rockin'
For 10G Ethernet you need Cat 6a, for Gigabit Ethernet Cat 5e. For short cable runs you might be able to get 10 Gbit over Cat 5e.
Attention He uses a 1Gbit/s switch and it doesn’t let more through, but as already mentioned wait a little until the 10Gbit/s devices become cheaper because at the moment the prices are still too high.
And don’t forget that there is only one connection on the IB5 for 10Gbit/s and four for 1Gbit/s.
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@gundi Here is the 10 Gbit/s equipment you need for your Turbo network:
CRS310-1G-5S-4S+IN 10 Gbit/s switch from Mikrotik
SFP+ Module Fibre 10 Gbit/s Duplex, Singlemode ( XS+85LC01D), SFP+ Module Copper ( S+RJ10)
Asustor FLASHSTOR 12 Pro Gen2 FS6812X NAS as cache storage
https://www.heise.de/news/Schnelles-NAS-fuer-zwoelf-M-2-SSDs-und-mit-fehlergeschuetztem-RAM-10046642.html
Synology DS923+NAS with TB HDD, cache and 10 Gbit/s network card as data storage/backup
Thunderbold 4 network adapter to 10 Gbit/s if you have a Mac book or notebook.
or network card 10 Gbit/s fibre with SFP+ connection (Intel-X710-BM2)consumes less energy than on an RJ45 connection basis.
Oh, and don’t forget a UPS (Eaton 9SX 1500 )with network management card for 7/24 operation.
Calculate about 500 CHF in operating costs (electricity) per year.
You’ll be looking at several tonnes of expenditure if you switch to 10 Gbit/s.
Thank you once again for your efforts and information.
film sizes >= 500MB, MP4, please no reference to YT (I hate that)
data security at home: I completely agree with you! (Could become a killer criterion)
IBN5: I don’t understand connection 5 and 6, depending on the subscription type this is a different connection, does this mean that you have to change the connection when changing subscriptions?
IBN5: Port 8: here I had the idea of connecting this to a 10 GB switch, which then provides 4 or more 10 GB ports itself, doesn’t this work?
DS923+ with cache and expanded with SSD (is this useless?)
finances: approx. 5T are planned, but only if it really brings something? Does it bring anything?
additional question: I assume that the laying of the optical fibre is at Swisscom’s expense, the only question is to where (to the “telephone box”, or to where the INB5
will be located? I would also like to have various loose LAN cables finally routed via Ethernet sockets (purely for aesthetic reasons). Will Swisscom do this, or who?
will Swisscom come to the flat in advance for an inspection, where I can then make my additional requests?
Greetings
gundi
Thank you once again for your efforts and information.
film sizes >= 500MB, MP4, please no reference to YT (I hate that)
data security at home: I completely agree with you! (Could become a killer criterion)
IBN5: I don’t understand connection 5 and 6, depending on the subscription type this is a different connection, does this mean that you have to change the connection when changing subscriptions?
IBN5: Port 8: here I had the idea of connecting this to a 10 GB switch, which then provides 4 or more 10 GB ports itself, doesn’t this work?
DS923+ with cache and expanded with SSD (is this useless?)
finances: approx. 5T are planned, but only if it really brings something? Does it bring anything?
additional question: I assume that the laying of the optical fibre is at Swisscom’s expense, the only question is to where (to the “telephone box”, or to where the INB5
will be located? I would also like to have various loose LAN cables finally routed via Ethernet sockets (purely for aesthetic reasons). Will Swisscom do this, or who?
will Swisscom come to the flat in advance for an inspection, where I can then make my additional requests?
Greetings
gundi
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gundi It all depends how much money you want to spend. You can start small by creating a 10G segment of critical devices connected to the same Switch.
For that I would recommend Mikrotik CRS304-4XG-IN:
https://mikrotik.com/product/crs304_4xg_in
At that point the upstream speed is not even that critical. Anyway, Synology 923+ won’t be able to saturate 10G link.
Is the switch you recommended also suitable for Swisscom TV?
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find out quickly whether this model also supports at least IGMPv3 in its settings, which is an essential requirement for the live programme of blue TV on the Swisscom TV boxes with the associated Swisscom multicast streams.
Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche Abhängigkeiten zur Swisscom
Werner works with my recommended switch CRS310-1G-5S-4S+IN, which can not only switch OS but also router OS, including IGMPv3 is also possible.
It is more flexible in terms of the connections (fibre/copper) & 9 SFP ports = (4xSFP+/5xSFP) and has more data throughput than the proposed switch CRS304-4XG-IN from @bitracer
bitracer At this point, upstream speed isn’t even that critical. Anyway, the Synology 923+ will not be able to saturate a 10G link.
@gundi here’s the proof:
Hence the Asustor FLASHSTOR 12 Pro Gen2 FS6812X as cache. Even if you don’t like YT here is a test as well
Part:
Synology as long-lasting data storage with HDD in the TB range (longer service life than SSD) with Synology C2 Storage as backup and at Hetzner with S3 Storage as
2. Backup.
That’s how I did it for myself.
Oh and don’t forget a UPS ( Eaton 9SX 1500 )with network management card for 7/24 operation.
Calculate about 500 CHF in operating costs (electricity) per year.
