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@RogerF wrote:

I don’t understand one thing: a month ago the local EW (canton of SZ) gave me a fiber optic cable (FTTH) at my expense. Now I can get internet via fiber optic from the local EW (uninteresting in terms of price), but not from Swisscom or other providers. My Anschluss does not appear in the Swisscom fiber optic query either. Is there any way to “unlock” other providers or do I actually have to wait years?

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With EWS you would also have the choice of Init7 and other providers, but not Swisscom (which is bearable). Just use Jungle Compass to check what’s available at your location: https://www.dschungelkompass.ch/festnetz/checker.xhtml

@5018: I know you don’t like my posts. But to condescendingly imply that I don’t need my brain, I don’t need it here. I think that all of us in this forum can do without posts of this kind. The forum rule #6 " I don’t feel that “respectful treatment” is fulfilled in this case. Thank you for refraining from your little, one-sided private war here in the future.

Hello @robbieB

I know several houses where the fiber optic cable is up to 8km long. And that works perfectly.

But then the customer’s plug must not be dirty at all, otherwise you will have too much attenuation and then no signal…

And you can’t change the whole of Switzerland from one day to the next.
And pulling in and splicing a fiber optic takes time, otherwise you’ll just end up in trouble afterwards…

greetings Lorenz

@andiroid wrote:

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Yes, we are slowly running out of patience here. My fiber has been lying unused in the ground for 1.5 years now. Swisscom has nothing smarter in mind and is appealing against the ComCo ruling, so that even more time is wasted. (…)

(…)but because the network monopolist has (unnecessarily) chosen the path through the authorities.

Just to clarify: it will be rebuilt parallel to the ongoing process one way or another.

The only problem is that there are very, very many connections that have to be checked and converted piece by piece. Analysis, planning, drawing, civil engineering, permits, pulling out and tightening cables and splicing… But hey - things are moving forward 💪

Greetings Stefan

The ComCo has withdrawn the suspensive effect regarding the restructuring of the Swisscom complaint.

The onward train only affects the buses; the renovation must be completed by the end of 25.

@StefanSch Yes, unfortunately not everyone understands that the expansion continues in parallel and is sometimes very complex and expensive. The courts have also recognized that P2P expansion is more expensive and time-consuming, but the disadvantage for other market participants is greater. You have to accept it like that, but you don’t have to find it right.

@Smallpot The conversion of P2MP connections that are already in operation must be completed by the end of 2025. Connections that are not yet in operation do not have to be converted by the end of 2025.

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@StefanSch wrote: Just to clarify: it will be rebuilt parallel to the current process one way or another.

Thanks for the addition. What I don’t understand in the argument is the following: In the Netzauskunft I see that where I live, pretty much every household has glass is developed. In my case, the distribution box was moved to the central technical room in January 2023. Then nothing worked for a long time and this summer there was a rumor on social media that the community would actually be connected to fiber optics.

I also noticed a few “dubious” holes along the “thick” feeder routes. Every now and then the large rectangular manholes were opened and once I discovered a large reel, presumably with fiberglass wound up. After a few weeks everything closed and calmed down again.

The construction of the feeder in summer 2024, as well as the drop in winter 2023 into our REFH settlement, apparently took place without any significant digging work. Apparently. Subjective feeling. It’s clear to me.

The only problem is that there are very, very many connections that have to be checked and converted piece by piece. Analysis, planning, drawing, civil engineering, permits, pulling out and tightening cables and splicing… But hey - things are moving forward 💪

Yes, I understand this argument too. Must be done. Either way. However, I don’t understand why the argument always declares the digging work on the feeder to be expensive and time-consuming. The last mile is the most finely branched network and is the most complex because most kilometers of cable are located there.

I would have understood:

1. First replace the backbones with fiber optic.
2. Then the feeders up to the street boxes.
3. Then the last mile to the homes/end customers.

I don’t understand why 2 and 3 have been swapped in our community. And that more than 1.5 years had to pass in between. There is no need for additional speculation and insinuations here. At least there was no need to open kilometer-long trenches, as is suggested here and there.

And with regard to remote hamlets, my opinion is the following: Every building that has been connected to electricity and water usually also has a telephone Anschluss. And it is my basic understanding that sooner or later everyone should own a fiber financed by the “community”. Broadband Internet (and I explicitly mean fiber optic here, not xDSL) is critical infrastructure like energy and water and belongs in a 3-world society. Without discussion. There is no need for national councils and no funding for peripheral regions. Actually. There are enough countries that have already done this. Did they also complain that it takes a long time to plan, dig, pull, splice and connect?

But: Thank you at this point to all those who get into the “trenches” every day and move forward! 💪

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@Lori-77 wrote:

Hello @robbieB

I know several houses where the fiber optic cable is up to 8km long. And that works perfectly.

But then the customer’s plug must not be dirty at all, otherwise you will have too much attenuation and then no signal……

And you can’t change the whole of Switzerland from one day to the next.
And pulling in and splicing a fiber optic takes time, otherwise you’ll just have trouble afterwards…

greetings Lorenz

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@Lori-77 It’s clear to me that fiber optic construction won’t happen in one go, but IMHO Swisscom could have planned better. I’m annoyed that they converted my community with FTTS or FTTH, but didn’t take “my” outer hamlet (belongs to the pol. community) into account. I don’t accept the succumbent’s argument that the ComCo came. Of course we’re now getting FTTH for that, but there’s no planning in sight…that’s why it’s unfortunate and my annoyance for that. Nevertheless, at least I would have expected FTTS and I would have wanted this “clumsy” planning to prioritize that the village would be equipped with FTTH, precisely because no FTTS was built back in 2020 #JustMyTwoCents

Hello @andiroid

In the past, the copper cable was sometimes buried directly without an empty conduit… and you have to dig.

And if it has an empty pipe, it doesn’t always mean that there is still space in it.

The other problem is that in certain areas the ground sinks and then the pipe has a kink in it and then you can’t get anything through or out again.

It’s like in houses, in certain houses large empty pipes were installed, and in others only super small ones…

And if the house is old you have lead pipes in it with 90* angles, etc. You can no longer use them.

And then there are super hero electricians who fill the empty pipe in the basement where the DSL comes out with silicone……. Great, you have to remove the silicone first before you can put anything in.

Greetings Lorenz

@HP Feels like a 6′er in the lottery exaggeratedly said which municipality will be ‘drawn’ after the Comco decision for the follow-up expansion. But apparently it is mostly due to the (less complex) feasibility of the expansion project at the locations so that the community is in the scope. Thanks for your info! 👍

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@Lori-77 wrote:

In the past, the copper cable was sometimes buried directly without an empty conduit… and you have to dig.

And if it has an empty pipe, it doesn’t always mean that there is still space in it.

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And then there are super hero electricians who fill the empty pipe in the basement where the DSL comes out with silicone……. Great, you have to remove the silicone first before you can put anything in.

Hey Lorenz, thank you too for the additions. I’m not talking about the “accidents” and problem areas. Here’s another delicacy from today’s walk:

Concrete pipes (?), the socket completely submerged in the water, the branching fiber cables (yellow and red) barely visible, a direct fiber cable (black/orange) without a branch… But ultimately all apparently solvable problems.

My question as to why the order of expansion in our community was “illogical” remains open. It is possible that network construction was specified and planned for P2MP a long time ago and therefore too few fibers were used, which now have to be replaced at high cost. Speculation, if anyone knows better I’d be happy to clarify. But the SC boys may not be allowed to divulge strategic background information. It’s a shame, it would build understanding for me and not let the lack of understanding turn into a lack of patience.

@andiroid

I consider the order of feeder, drop and in-house connection for FTTH to be fundamentally irrelevant from a construction point of view, so any combination of them probably occurs in practice.

What is built is simply what can be carried out well in terms of planning and geography as a single stage.

The actual commissioning is of course only possible when the P2P connection between the OTO socket and CO (= central office, often this is the local headquarters) is available throughout, i.e. all 3 individual construction stages have actually been completed.

Thanks for your answer @millernet!

Unfortunately, when I enter my address in the jungle compass, I only see our EW under fiber optic Anschluss or the dedicated fiber optic provider in the neighboring community with which our EW has a partnership.

When I enter the address in the init7 Fiber checker (https://ftth.init7.net/) the following comes up:

Product: N/A
Topology: P2P
Readiness: OOOOO

Unfortunately no offer from init7 either 😞