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@kobolt wrote:

But what is sufficient today may no longer be sufficient in a few years when I see that a UHD stream needs 5 times more bandwidth than an HD stream.

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A UHD stream needs around 25mbps with TV 2.0 with the current codec. HD streams vary between 8 and 10 mbps depending on the channel. With 100mbps you still have enough reserve.

@GuideT: I thought a requirement for the mCANs was that the VDSL version could later be easily replaced with a G.Fast version. Have you now backtracked again due to financial considerations?

@Anonymous G: Those who recompress the stuff based on access technology come up with these values. Fiber7, for example, delivers the TV signal to my house without recompression, and the picture is noticeably better than that of Swisscom TV. The same will be the case with UHD. With Blu-Ray you have an average bit rate in the 20-30mbit region with peaks up to 50mbit… that is compressed down for transmission via SAT and you can see the difference, and what you and all other IPTV providers (with the exception of Fiber7 ) then this reduces the quality again. On an access network with enough bandwidth, this deterioration would not be necessary.
UHD may look good to the inexperienced viewer with 25mbit, but UHD Blu-Ray much more. I’m currently missing even numbers for the average bit rate, but depending on the disc size, the maximum possible bit rate is up to 128 MBit/s. The 25Mbit may be sufficient for quiet scenes, but if something happens on the screen, the image quality suffers. Nobody should claim that you can’t see the difference with a decently sized TV. In order to transmit content in “okay” quality, a little vectoring may be enough, but all connections that offer more are output with the lowest common denominator in IP transmission and leave image quality and the real “wow” effect by the wayside.

Nobody knows yet what will happen in a few years. A Micro-CAN cannot be opened. If you replace one, then completely. First of all, in the next few years we will be bringing the connections to Micro-CANs that have not yet been developed. That makes more sense than replacing the connections that already have 100 Mbit/s today. I don’t yet know what comes next. ngPON, g.fast2? Let’s see.

@Anonymous - So in plain language this means: if I get 100Mbit today, I won’t be able to get more in the long term, correct?

What is a “longer view”? And as I wrote, who knows what tomorrow will bring. But at the moment I would say, yes. Anyone who has already expanded their network will initially have 100 MBit/s available and that should easily be enough for the next few years. 2-5 MBit/s is also sufficient for surfing.

For surfing, yes - but for larger downloads and uploads it’s not exactly the best solution…
And then when you consider that it’s supposed to stay that way for another 1 or 2 or… years. That’s where you think about it…

UHD with 60 Hz can be used according to the specification (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding). Use H.265 between 40 - 160 Mbit/s.

It’s a shame that you have to be content with 100/20 for a few years, while the first cable networks will be testing DOCSIS 3.1 this year with data rates for end users of 1 Gb/s and more. The upload of 100 Mb/s and more is particularly interesting.

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@millernet wrote:
UHD with 60 Hz can be used according to the specification (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding) of H.265 between 40 - 160 Mbit/s.

It’s a shame that we have to be content with 100/20 for a few years, while the first cable networks will be testing DOCSIS 3.1 this year with end-user data rates of 1 Gb/s and more. Especially an upload of 100 Mb/s and more is extremely interesting.

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What’s stopping you from changing? Other mothers also have beautiful daughters. It’s good, if the technology on the cable networks is pushed like this, then the pressure on Swisscom will increase even more, and FTTH for everyone will become more realistic than it is today… 😉

I am already a Quickline customer. However, Quickline is quite expensive compared to fiber optic offers (with connection costs of around 30 francs). I’m hoping for a little more competition through G.fast. Swisscom dug a manhole 10 meters in front of my front door. Expansion from March 2017, but probably without G.fast or maybe…

I have a maximum of 60 Mbits available on my Anschluss, so vectoring isn’t even an issue and I don’t live in the middle of nowhere.

There is expansion going on everywhere in town, but nothing is being done at this junction. Dear Swisscom, is doing something other than just increasing the bandwidth in the subscriptions, which you then can’t get at all.

I don’t want to get games from Steam with 2-5 MBit 😉 That’s where my Giga line comes in handy.

@rohners: everyone can choose their place of residence. In Hinterpfuffigen you have low taxes, clean air and little traffic. If you want fast internet, you are welcome to come to the city - with our high taxes we pay for the FTTH expansion, for example. It’s OK that we get something for our money, right?

I currently have 12 Mbit in the middle of a small town and in 2018 I will be expanding, not to fiber optic into the house (FTTH), but it looks like fiber to the street (FTTS), which brings up to around 100 Mbit of bandwidth. Since my priority is TV (the technology) and I can still work on the Internet at the same time, it wouldn’t do much more for me.

Sometimes I think this is just complaining at a high level. I could switch to UPC or Quickline and have more bandwidth there. Then it’s more expensive again, or poor support or whatever. If you have a large download, you could also have a coffee or do something else.

I remember the 90s when 56K had modems and were only allowed to access the Internet if there was space or the phone wasn’t busy. I think the comparison with the daughters of other mothers is apt, because who gets what and when is also determined by cheap money and there are simply more customers in the cities.

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doom2 wrote:
We pay with our high taxes, for example for the FTTH expansion. It’s OK that we get something for our money, right?

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Can you back that up with numbers?

According to my research, there is no significant difference in taxes between town and country (see e.g. [http://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/datenblog/index.php/4117/wo-legen-ihr-steuerparadies](http://blog .tagesanzeiger.ch/datenblog/index.php/4117/wo-legen-ihr-steuerparadies) )

If it were up to tax levels, I would have to have 10GE FTTH, however

The gist of it is probably that expansion in the city is simply cheaper and therefore more profitable per household. After all, the basic service mandate will be increased to 3MBit/s from 2018:smileyvery-happy:

But essentially the statement from @doom2 is correct🙂. Everyone knows and understands that in the hamlet of Hinterpfufigen there is no shopping center with MMM-Migros, Coop including Coop-City, Aldi and Lidl, but that you either have a small Migros branch or, in the worst case, not even a Volg😉. It should be analogous here.

@oldiesbutgoldies: 2018 Expansion with FTTS should be enough for 500 Mbit/s, right🙂? I almost expected G. there. So go to your nearest electronics store and buy yourself a few TVs 😉.

In our community, Quickline seems to have a confidant in the local council 😉

It is often the case that local councils give preferential treatment to certain providers. All communities around us have fiber optics and inquiries from Swisscom’s MA to our community have been rejected

So it remains very exciting, but also a bit depressing.

I can pull 100/20 with copper today. But when I have in mind that nothing will happen in the near future - and that in a family with active surf TV and strema behavior?

Oh well….

Well, if I think that 3 Mbit has now been decided as a basic service, then you can light a bonfire with 100 Mbit. Enough for 5 TV boxes and relaxed internet, unless everyone downloads TB of data. The problem will be that if most people had 300 Mbit, many would ask for 1 Gbit again. I would just be interested to know what you have to download.

I work on my HP on the Internet (shop on an Austrian server) with the TV (HD) running, my girlfriend has her tablet running via WiFi and is surfing. (I’ll suppress the fact that two more cell phones are connected to the Internet, hopefully they’re not crucial. Then my mother calls me via the Internet and uploads data to Ebay, all without noticing any problems.

Of course I’m not authoritative, but what would I have with 300 Mbit more??? What does your family do differently, or why do you need so much download bandwidth at once?

@oldiesbutgoldies I primarily need upload bandwidth because my NAS is encrypted and backed up in a public cloud. Here you can easily back up 1 - 2 terabytes per month. I’m waiting for the warning from Quickline 😉 I also regularly exchange large multimedia files with friends and family, especially photos and videos. These are also a few gigabytes. Here 20 Mbit/s upload is simply not enough. If I think that the Teleboy app alone draws a peak bandwidth of 50 Mbit/s when buffering and runs very smoothly and quickly with the best quality, the need for > 100 Mbit/s can also be justified. Many download servers (except those of the Playstation…) are now able to easily deliver bandwidths of >100 Mbit/s.