Internetbox 5 (Test Hardware)

Why should there be an Internet Box 5? Do you know more about that?

I would be interested in that too. There will definitely be one when they make the move to WiFi 7 and possibly replace the 1Gb ports with 2.5Gb along with the 10Gb.

@5018 An IB5 with more processor performance would be desirable.
the UI loads so endlessly lame that it’s not up to date.

And 2.5G ports instead of 1G would also make sense.
We’ll see

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the UI loads so endlessly lame that it’s not up to date.

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I don’t know about “infinitely lame”. Sure, it’s not a Porsche, but for adjusting something here and there, the Golf is definitely enough…

@cybi The IB3/4 processor has enough power and is usually utilized at 8-16%. The problem with the GUI is that all information is always pulled in real time. Of course that takes time.

@5018 18%? That I don’t laugh.

16% is very possible:

Well, I don’t have anything special on the network either.

@cybi There’s something wrong with you. That’s not normal.

Do you use bonding?

Do you use WLAN boxes?

Which connection technology?

Is the CPU line also this high when no device is connected?

@5018 @Well I currently have 89 devices active.
Funny, it calmed down a bit overnight. The last nine hours at 18% CPU. That would be ok.
To your question: IB4 Fiber and currently there are two WB3s left.

What I noticed, and I had already noticed this before with the IB3, is that devices are still displayed incorrectly when it comes to WLAN and LAN. So WLAN devices are sometimes displayed as LAN and vice versa. But for the most part it’s true and it doesn’t bother you because everything is running smoothly.
I just think it’s a shame that SC still can’t get it done after years.

Switch between?

The FW has a function to recognize all the devices. Maybe that drives up the CPU load with 89 devices. My experience is that it sometimes takes 24 hours after a restart until everything is sorted again. But I’ll see if I can get someone to take a look.

Yup, the 10Gb port goes on a 10Gb 5-port DLink switch and a 1Gb port goes on a 16-port Netgear switch.
Without it, it just doesn’t work on a large LAN.

By the way, the FB never had any problems with the recognition, which means that for me the switches are not or hardly the cause 😉

@cybi

The LAN side certainly has a very big influence on the load on an Internet box.

An IB3 on a g.Fast-Anschluss with WLAN switched off, without WLAN boxes, with only one LAN-bound client (a cascaded router for the entire internal medium-sized network with up to around 40 clients), but with an active DECT base station for 3 phones, for example, I run with 4-6% CPU utilization:

By the way, the CPU of my internal Asus Merlin router, which then manages the entire internal network of LAN and WLAN clients, hardly gets over the 0% limit, because routing is actually not CPU-intensive at all, regardless of whether it is with 2 or with 100 clients.

I have no idea what is putting so much stress on your IB4, it must be something Swisscom-specific, maybe it actually has something to do with internal network scans or the coupling of the additional WLAN boxes.

The fact that Swisscom Internet boxes may no longer be the best solution for an internal network after a certain network size is not entirely a new finding and has come up again and again in discussions about various aspects of a network in the past.

For a 0815 network with up to, according to my gut feeling, around 40 clients, an IB is certainly ideal, but above that it is probably worth cascading an additional router of your own behind it, which has the best possible functions for operating an internal network.

So, after the whole hardware completely broke down twice this week and only a complete reset of IB and WB helped, I drove everything back to the FB hardware.
It just doesn’t seem to work with the IB in such large LANs.
By the way, the CPU of the FB is around 10-15% 🫣

@cybi

There is actually no need to “throw the baby out with the bathwater.”

Simply leave the Internet box as the access router and cascade another router of your choice behind it and you’re good.

If you are a FB lover, it is best to use a 4060 or its successor model, at least without a built-in modem, but with the best possible WLAN.

The advantage of leaving the Internet box as a pure access router is that you can continue to use all the WLAN boxes that you already have in your hardware park without any problems.

You then simply connect them from the IB network via LAN cable to your own downstream internal network, where they also easily obtain an IP address from your own home network router and thus become part of the cascaded LAN, and you still manage your WLAN credentials on the Internet box, which still passes on its settings to the WLAN boxes even when the WLAN is switched off, even if their WLAN-Box children have already migrated to the cascaded network and can no longer obtain an IP address from the Internet box.

@cybi Maybe take a look at something from MikroTik, the FritzBoxes aren’t really suitable for larger networks either, they’re just consumer routers

Personally, I prefer the IBs to the Fritz boxes and have had better experiences with them and had fewer problems, but at some point every router reaches its limit

For example, with a customer (small fitness chain) where each fitness device needed 2 LAN connections (1x screen, 1x device itself) (everything is so smart stuff with an app for fitness visitors where they can analyze their training and don’t know what). can) and the CB 3.0 absolutely couldn’t cope with these almost 200 devices and caused enormous problems

All locations that I have so far converted to MikroTik routers now run without any problems, and thanks to the MikroTik I was able to divide the network somewhat with separate VLANs for the fitness devices, PCs, POS, guest WiFi

Actually, the IBs should easily handle 100 devices. But there are actually problems there every now and then. I never found out the reason and the software supplier who relies on open source probably doesn’t know exactly why the particular module is causing problems.

Something seems to be happening:

Swisscom Internet-Box 5 Pro

@User4500 Exciting, even with WiFi 7

I’m looking forward to the part also being available with Wingo 😀