As far as I know, Swisscom no longer differentiates between SMEs and enterprises, there are only RES and B2B customers. This means that every SME can order a 10 Gig GFA if it is available and the SME can and wants to afford it.
Ultimately, the question also arises as to whether an SME needs a 10 gig line. I know a lot of enterprise customers with a few thousand employees who “only” have 1 × 1 Gig or, for redundancy reasons, a maximum of 2 × 1 Gig. have.
@hammond @Sennhauser-ITS at I-Way there is an SME 10 Gbit/s PON Anschluss with 10 Gbit/s port Ethernet - Anschluss.
The Huawei router HN8255Ws is used
or pre-order here for 290.- CHF: https://huawei-distribution.ch/produkt/huawei-echolife-hn8255ws/
But Caution there is no guarantee whether it also works with fixed IP’s (subnets), whether this router has dual registration via PPOE
has no idea.
Thank you for the tip, iWay is certainly an interesting provider that is shaking up the provider business a little (in a positive sense).
Unfortunately, I don’t know of any provider that offers a Internet-Backup via mobile communications like Swisscom (and certainly not under these conditions) and also covers public IP addresses. Of course, a maximum of 100/20 Mbit/S is no comparison to 1 or even 810 Gbit/S, but at least the services are still accessible.
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Regarding “Huawei Router HN8255Ws”
Interesting note, according to your link it’s even “Swisscom certified”
It might even be worth further clarification 😮
I absolutely agree with you!
For normal “office operation” 1Gbps is sufficient for many users.
In my opinion, 10Gbps is very interesting (among others) in the following situations:
Backup/Replication
(be it as a service for customers or/and backups to other destinations)
File hosting
Data cloud or downloads of whatever kind, be it via NAS systems, own/Nextcloud,…
Streaming Platforms
Not everyone wants to put their (private/business/…) videos online on YouTube&Co.
For example, with 1-10Gbps, an SME can host its own video platform inexpensively.
(Apart from arguments that could speak for solutions such as CoLo/Hosting and other Coud solutions - but I think that would go beyond the scope of the discussion here 😉
@Sennhauser-ITS If you don’t want to do without such functions (mobile backup, public IP’s) and still want to use a 10 Gbit/s network, you can’t avoid load balancing with 2x WAN connections with 2 routers.
A Mikrotik from the CCR series would then be the first choice.
For this reason my comment: “(Apart from arguments that could speak for solutions such as CoLo/Hosting and other Coud solutions - but I think that would go beyond the scope of the discussion here 😉 )”
The trend is moving more and more towards the “cloud”, but there are still many customers who want it differently. (Especially when it comes to backup.)
@Sennhauser-ITS wrote:
For this reason my comment: “(Apart from arguments that could speak for solutions such as CoLo/Hosting and other Coud solutions - but I think that would go beyond the scope of the discussion here 😉 )”
The trend is moving more and more towards the “cloud”, but there are still many customers who want it differently. (Especially when it comes to backup.)
My Arbeitgeber, a medium-sized SME with 180 employees where I took over as CIO, backs up 5 TB of data on AWS Glacier Archive Tier every weekend. The data is transferred to the far north, archived in a tamper-proof manner, encrypted and the solution costs a spot price compared to an onsite tape library. We pay $0.99/TB/month in Archive Tier. The whole thing works via a VTL (Virtual Tape Library) and the AWS Storage Gateway. At $120/month, the Storage Gateway costs more than the backup data. At these prices, it is safer and more reliable to store a full backup in the cloud every week. This means we have an audit-proof copy of our data every week.
So: Backup in the cloud is already worthwhile for companies today and they need a lot of bandwidth for this. You can easily back up with around 1 Gbit/s per virtual tape drive. Up to 8 parallel jobs are possible. The nice thing about this solution: The backup is fully automated and offline. A hacker would have to get your AWS logins. It is not enough to attack the backup servers. Once the virtual tape is ejected, it can only be accessed via the AWS console or SDK. This provides good protection against ransomware.
What’s more: the solution was installed in just a few hours. Simply download and configure the Storage Gateway ESXi appliance. Then mount the virtual tape drives as iSCSI targets, configure Veeam and voila.
[https://aws.amazon.com/de/storagegateway/vtl/?nc=sn&loc=2&dn=3](https://aws.amazon.com/de/storagegateway/vtl/?nc=sn&loc=2&dn= 3)
And this is just one of the many applications of the infamous cloud.
@hed wrote:
The trend is more in the direction of companies outsourcing the data and web services to the Azure or AWS cloud, for example, and no longer need such high bandwidths at the company locations themselves.
I think that the cloud will also come to the edge in the future. It doesn’t make sense to centralize all services somewhere in Frankfurt or Ireland and then be surprised by congested nodes and high latency times. Without a private link, I would not outsource any critical services to the cloud. In the future, a lot of data will be generated at the edge, at least in production companies. These have to get into the cloud somehow. Virtual desktop environments also require a lot of data rate with today’s 4K screens. For virtualized CAD workstations with 2 x UHD monitors, 50 - 100 Mbit/s can easily be achieved, even with compression champions like Citrix. Even more so with pure RDP. If the employee does not want to develop eye cancer, the compression simply has to be used very carefully and otherwise it is better to leave the VDI adventure behind.
Hello everyone
“back to topic” and a little update from me:
According to my phone call yesterday, there is currently no solution. “End of 2020 beginning of 2021” are the new prospects.
The IB3 is apparently not (yet?) suitable for PublicIP & Internet backup.
Unfortunately, as always, they are very tight-lipped about “use your own device” (so you have to test it at your own risk).
If anyone would like to participate, I have opened a separate thread here for a solution search (10Gbps, Public-IP, Internet-Backup) with OPNsense:
[OPNsense Router 10Gbps )
Hello everyone
In 2021 there will be a new router for SMEs that supports 10GB in the WAN. In LAN there will be the following ports 4× 1GB + 1× 10GB + Wifi6.
Today’s Centro Business 2.0 only supports 1GB on xgsPON.
Furthermore, IB3 will never support fixed IP addresses in the future. A Centro Business is still necessary here.
Greeting
Stefano
Since November 15, 2019 at the latest, Swisscom employees have had an FAQ with 49 points on the subject of Internet Box, Centro Business and XGS PON.
The points were actually all clarified. I just didn’t write anything to see what else was coming from Swisscom. Not that there is any confusion between competencies.
Also in November 2019, the XGS PON technology was explained again in the context of Centro Business etc. in the Smart Business Connect Roundtable. By the way, you can see that there will be a business box for 10 Gbps XGS PON in 2021.
But I’m not a Swisscom employee. You should be able to expect correct information directly via the hotline.
I will also officially write to Swisscom support, but does anyone of you know whether the following device can meet my “our” requirements?
Huawei Echolife “HN8255Ws”
https://huawei-distribution.ch/produkt/huawei-echolife-hn8255ws/
According to the provider’s website, the router is “Swisscom certified”, but this does not necessarily mean that all “business functions” are supported.
Thank you & greetings
Christian
@Tux0ne wrote:
Since November 15, 2019 at the latest, Swisscom employees have had an FAQ with 49 points on the subject of Internet Box, Centro Business and XGS PON.
The points were actually all clarified. I just didn’t write anything to see what else was coming from Swisscom. Not that there is any confusion between competencies.
Also in November 2019, the XGS PON technology was explained again in the context of Centro Business etc. in the Smart Business Connect Roundtable. By the way, you can see that there will be a business box for 10 Gbps XGS PON in 2021.
But I’m not a Swisscom employee. You should be able to expect correct information directly via the hotline.
I was once allowed to look over the shoulders of the people on the hotline for a day, and since then my perspective has changed completely in their favor. If you receive tons of new information and FAQs every day because technology and the industry are so fast-moving, it is simply no longer possible to record/process the information or find it quickly when needed.
If you then take into account the range of questions about a range of products and services that is almost impossible to keep track of, the amount of calls that a supporter handles every day and the sometimes very clumsy way in which the requesters describe their problems, I can only say: Hats off to the performance of the people at the help desk.
@[deleted] wrote:
I ordered it a little earlier for under 300.- 😉
And what are your experiences with it?
We just grabbed the last one on our order.
Let’s see what we can get up and running there (possibly with Swisscom and ZyXEL support).
We have had very good experiences with ZyXEL’s support so far.
I don’t have an IB3 myself, but since different fiber optic modules are supported, it must also be possible to change them:
@Everyone interested:
We are in discussions with our trusted Huawei distributor and are working on further clarifications regarding “Huawei Echolife HN8255Ws” or comparable alternatives.
@Sennhauser-ITS wrote:
@[deleted] wrote:
I ordered it a little earlier for under 300.- 😉
And what are your experiences with it?
Unfortunately I can’t report anything yet. I just got an email saying he was on the way…
I think it will happen early next week.
#user63
I have now connected the Zyxel and connected it to the SFP+ from Swisscom and it is recognized so far.
I tried to create the settings according to this template below the post.
community.swisscom.ch/t5/Archiv-Internet/Access data-Internet-for-configuration-of-a-Zyxel-SBG3500-N/td-p/483996
It didn’t work, either there are different settings or I overlooked something.
Actually, a quick information sheet would be useful as to what you need to set.
Possibly Does anyone else have more experience with hiring?
@Herby With the IB3 it’s been working perfectly since Wednesday. If I take the SFP+ from Swisscom and the Zyxel, do I still have to register again?
Although I already tried that, it didn’t work.
@user109 the only IP I found in the settings was 139.0.0.0 / 255.0.0.0
I’ll wait and see what comes from Studerus. Yesterday afternoon I asked whether the Swisscom SFP+ even works with the Zyxel.
