Andreas: Do you happen to drive a car? If so, how much horsepower does the car have? You’ll hardly need more than 50, right?
How many rooms does your apartment or house have? Does it really take that much?
You can continue this as you wish.
You might be happy to pay over 100 Stutz per month for a cheap 100 Mbit. I prefer 777 per year for gigabit.
And anyone who believes that the average gigabit line is mostly utilized is dreaming anyway.
@Anonymous
Yes, you can only stick something like this to the window: [http://www.askey.com.tw/pdf/BOND007.pdf](http://www.askey.com.tw/pdf/BOND007. pdf)
Luckily I’m on the Sunrise network 😄
@Anonymous: sure, but with your DSL performance you need a lot of bandwidth over LTE for a single SCTV stream.
@Tux0ne: I’m curious whether this is really unlimited.
If I remember correctly, a Sunday paper once wrote that Fiber7 customers average 3mbit. With this I would pull the cut down sharply. Just sucking because the line gives it away doesn’t help.
@doom2 wrote:
@Anonymous: sure, but with your DSL performance you need a lot of bandwidth over LTE for a single SCTV stream….
I think that SCTV is excluded from this, i.e. IPTV is still only obtained via the existing copper line, that this LTE window thing “only” upgrades surfing speed and probably only adds a limited LTE bandwidth, possibly 10, 20, 30 or 50 Mbit/s for customers who are below a certain copper/DSL limit. So E.g. Vivo M customers who get less than 20Mbit/s via copper can possibly be booked via LTE, for example 20Mbit/s… - that would at least be an increase of 100%
Distributing something like this to customers (only those who want one) is probably a lot cheaper than an FTTS expansion.
It’s all just speculation, let’s see what might happen…
….keep on rockin'
Hello @doom2
Should I tell you our startup strategy? 😉
The fact is that we will open up as many connections with FTTH/FTTS/FTTB as it makes economic sense. I think that in the end there will be around 10-15% connections left over, which we will then open up with FTTC in combination with other technologies such as DSL/LTE bonding. But we try to do something in every community. This will be quite a feat of strength (human and financial) in the next few years. But don’t pin me down on the numbers. We review the strategy every year and there are always changes.
I think we’re doing well and our network construction colleagues are doing a first-class job!
For a private company, Swisscom really does an excellent job. But I also see our state as having a duty here. Instead of spending money on endless IT projects, he would rather invest in infrastructure. From my point of view, ultra-broadband with 50 Mb/s / 10 Mb/s is part of the basic service. Just as telephone lines found their way into practically every house in Switzerland decades ago, fiber optics should also find their way into the next 10 years.
I’m happy with my 15 Mbit and think that most customers who only watch TV and access the Internet a few times will survive. Of course there are “hardship cases” in all regions, but if they were to come forward all at once, there are still far too many to fundamentally prioritize these cases.
Please make suggestions as to how the whole thing should be implemented across the board. Not just financially, but who should do it? This requires skilled workers and you don’t find them that often in Switzerland anymore and at the moment we want to close the borders again and just cherry pick.
This is purely my customer opinion, I don’t know who, where, when, etc. - but I would still like to know how the “dissatisfied” people imagine it and how they would do it.
I believe that many people want and need more for various reasons, but we in Switzerland have one of the highest standards (according to the list a few days ago, about 5th in the world) and I think our society is slowly going crazy. What do you do with a 500gbit line? The UPC now wants to offer ultragbit etc.
Maybe I’m too old, but I still lived through the times with AOL etc. and 56kbit was the highest of all feelings and woe betide anyone who wanted to go on the Internet in the evening
Unfortunately, I have a master’s degree in mechanical engineering. IT is more of a hobby for me. Unfortunately, I don’t belong to the new generation that can personally lay fiber optics down to the last chachen. Well, I have a diversified opinion on skilled workers, as some large companies are increasingly putting people over 50 on the road and instead hiring fresh blood from abroad. The over 50s can then see who else employs them. That’s my opinion on this case.
Why will we soon need bandwidth in the gigabit range? Not even Google can tell you this exactly. There are numerous trends, especially in the area of video streaming, which require enormous bandwidths. I’m thinking, for example, of a symmetrical 4K video stream with 50 fps and HDR, e.g. during a video conference. This should be in the range of at least 50 - 100 Mb/s and this should be symmetrical. Crisp, high-contrast images guaranteed.
Another trend is virtual reality with spatial 360° videos. GoPro has already presented Omni here. Omni is a camera setup consisting of 6 GoPro’s (HERO4 Black), which records 360° images in 8K (not 4K, 8K). For $4999, anyone can create their own personal Google Streetview. The VR experience can be presented even better using data glasses from numerous manufacturers, such as HTC, Samsung, Sony or Oculus Rift. The same trend is currently taking hold when it comes to gaming with Sony PlayStation VR or Microsoft HoloLens. This questions movement and gestures, so that you can start to sweat (which should suit the typical gamer). Such an 8K VR stream from an Omni produces approximately a 500 Mbit/s MPEG4 stream! At 4K that would be a modest 150 Mb/s. As a result, the gigabit should already be used to capacity.
Another field is the transmission of large amounts of data in the range of several 100 gigabytes, as is usually the case in the area of 3D scanning, videography, X-ray tomography, CT scans, etc. This allows a hospital to send CT data directly to a specialist who may be in their country home. Or the country doctor would like to store the relevant data in a cloud platform for specialists. There are numerous scenarios where you don’t want to wait days to transfer a few hundred gigabytes.
In summary, a new wave of applications is currently rolling towards us, which will require huge bandwidths in the foreseeable future. 4K is already in many living rooms today, which Netflix can still offer at a modest 25 Mb/s. Streams of decent quality also require 40 Mb/s. However, as soon as we talk about VR, we are in the range of around 200 Mb/s, as really high quality with low lossy compression is required due to the very short distance to the human eye. It is questionable whether 4K will still be enough to create the illusion of reality for the human eye. I think more 8K HDR is needed to give the human eye the impression of realistic sharpness (resolution, contrast range). Such applications are already exceeding the gigabit line. The whole thing is no longer Star Trek, but reality.
2 examples of 360° videos on YouTube, with comparatively modest image quality:
@Anonymous: Of course I’m interested in your strategy 😉
@oldiesbutgoldies: For the first time, the MEI has not yet been implemented, but on the other hand we also have to be realistic: an FTTx expansion like this is not rocket science. You don’t need the top MIT graduates. If you’ve ever been able to follow such an expansion up close - a lot of it was civil engineering. You’re not telling me you need a university degree.
And in general, companies in Switzerland make it too easy for themselves when it comes to finding employees - I see this myself at work and have been there myself in such cross-border searches. It’s better to fly in senior people from all over Europe instead of investing something in training juniors. You train apprentices diligently, but you forget to put them into the relevant departments and let them work there so that they can take part in daily business after completing their apprenticeship.
Or how about retraining people. Swisscom has only just cut 700 jobs - there were probably one or two people who were smart enough to help with an FTTx expansion.
@doom2 What @oldiesbutgoldies meant were probably well-trained technicians who are able to lay glass fibers, do proper splicing, etc. Not engineers. As you rightly say, the future of every company must be secured through the best possible and extensive training and further education from Lerlingen. Unfortunately, global companies often make it too easy for themselves when looking for a job, as you can draw from a large global pot.
I understand that it is not possible to expand everywhere at the same time and immediately. I’m not even asking for that.
What I don’t understand is that there is no (public) schedule, no milestones. You should be able to specify what is planned and where exactly to the year, or at least in what order.
The Checker gave a date for an expansion three years ago. Then it suddenly disappeared again and since then the community has said “in 6 months at the earliest”.
Ok, I read in the newspaper yesterday that the canton has apparently agreed on a subsidy for the expansion. My community probably simply speculated on this so that it would have to bear less costs; no idea.
Well, that’s it for the whining on my part. I have to move in 1-2 years anyway and nothing will probably happen until then.
My world doesn’t collapse for me, I can still remember the times with 9600bps modems.:smileywink:
Good suggestion, but who should pay for it? It was always clear to me that this public service vote was structured incorrectly and that basic services should have been shaken up.
But your request would probably go beyond everything, because then the furthest alpine hut has VDSL 50Mbit (I don’t even have that across the board in a small town).
It might have been good to increase the basic service to 5Mbit or 10Mbit, which would have been more in line with the public service. This would also cost a lot, so I think it would be difficult to find someone to do this.
And I live in a small town where the local council refuses to accept fiber optics from SC, all the communities around us have it and Quickline is now available for that. There’s certainly a lot of tinkering going on in the background, how would you want to implement the whole thing?
There are communities that would rather pay money so that they don’t want to take in refugees.
In Zurich we prefer to pay “ex” state companies like EW and Swisscom to build a fiber optic network for us. This means that the electricity meters have a fiber optic connection, which is cheaper than the copper cables from Swisscom…
That’s why we have little Eritrea in Oerlikon.
So what, that’s life. The main thing is that I get 10GE 😄