Lancom fiber optic router via Swisscom (Bluewin) possible?

    • Is it possible to connect a Lancom router to a Swisscom fiber optic Anschluss? Apart from the fact that TV could cause problems, I am of the opinion that the router has to be tuned to “Swisscom” somehow

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    LANCOM routers can theoretically also be used on Swisscom fiber optic connections:

    Hardware

    Before using a LANCOM router on a (Swisscom) fiber optic connection, this LANCOM forum post should be read completely and carefully:

    [http://www.lancom-forum.de/aktuelle-lancom-router-serie-f41/aktuelle-lancom-router-bandbreiteneignung-t15434.html](http://www.lancom-forum.de/aktuelle- lancom-router-series-f41/current-lancom-router-bandwidth-suitability-t15434.html)

    For the direct fiber optic connection, a LANCOM router 1781EF+ with an SFP module from a third-party manufacturer is required. According to my request in 2015, LANCOM deliberately decided not to offer an SFP module suitable for Swiss fiber optic connections.

    The following SFP module has already been recommended several times for Swisscom fiber optic connections:

    [https://www.flexoptix.net/en/sfp-bidi-transceiver-1-gigabit-sm-tx1310nm-rx1550nm-10km-12db-ddm-dom.html] (https://www.flexoptix.net/en/sfp-bidi-transceiver-1-gigabit-sm-tx1310nm-rx1550nm-10km-12db-ddm-dom.html)

    Source:

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Media-Converter-gt-Ethernet-SFP-Modul-f%C3%BCr-Internet-Box-Standard/td- p/438 986](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Media-Converter-gt-Ethernet-SFP-Modul-f%C3%BCr-Internet-Box-Standard/ td-p/438986)

    https://www.fiber7.ch/de/fiber7-technologie/fiber7-hardware/

    If there is no LANCOM router with an SFP slot, the fiber optic connection can be made via a media converter (e.g. TP-Link MC220L). The media converter converts the electrical signal from the Ethernet cable (1000Base-T) into the optical signal for the fiber optic cable.

    \=> For further information on the topic of “media converters”, please see the links under “Source”.

    Before purchasing and/or using a third-party SFP module for the SFP slot of a LANCOM router (e.g. LANCOM 1781EF+), this LANCOM forum post should be read completely and carefully:

    [http://www.lancom-forum.de/aktuelle-lancom-router-serie-f41/1781ef-problems-sfp-mit-100-mbit-ethernet-transceiver-t12303.html] (http://www.lancom-forum.de/aktuelle-lancom-router-serie-f41/1781ef-problems-sfp-mit-100-mbit-ethernet-transceiver-t12303.html)

    Attention: Using a third-party SFP module in the SFP slot of a LANCOM router will void the LANCOM router’s warranty!

    Tip: The current status of the SFP module can be seen on the LANCOM router under Status > Ethernet Ports > SFP Ports if the SFP module plugged into the LANCOM router supports the diagnostic function (DDM/DOM).

    Tip: The SFP module can possibly be removed from the SFP slot of the Swisscom Internet Box and inserted into the SFP slot of the LANCOM router or media converter.

    Software

    According to:

    https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/FritzBox-5490-Fibre-mit-Swisscom-Glasfibro-nutzen/td-p/423 275

    When using a current LANCOM router operating system (LCOS), the following configurations of the WAN port with the Swisscom fiber optic connection are necessary so that the Internet connection works via the Swisscom fiber optic cable:

    1.) VLAN for WAN port (Setup > WAN > DSL broadband remote site > VLAN ID): 10

    2.) DHCP Option 60 “Vendor Class Identifier” (Setup > DHCP > Vendor Class Identifier): LANCOM 1781EF+

    All information untested in practice! => Please report here whether the Swisscom fiber optic connection was successfully put into operation on the LANCOM router or not. Thank you!

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      GrandDixence wrote:

      LANCOM routers can theoretically also be used on Swisscom fiber optic connections:

      …

      It is of course a highly complex matter, although only at Swisscom. I congratulate you on the instructions.

      In fact, you cook on these fiberglass nets with the simplest water. Here is a picture of my connection, representative of the fiber optic network of the EWZ in the city of Zurich. I was privileged to become a happy AND saving customer. I still can’t believe that I was able to experience that.

      jawoll

      here in large, click

      There is a so-called converter (free, on loan) in the basic equipment, the white part on the right with the EWZ logo. I suspect that most of the other city networks St. Gallen, Bern, Winterthur etc. have a similar solution. The red router shown is (hopefully also on loan) from the relevant provider. In fact, you don’t even need the router for the Internet (alone). Since the whole thing runs via DHCP, I assume on every fiber optic network of this municipal utility. The only necessary equipment here is a LAN cable, which you can plug directly into this converter from your PC, and you’re done, the Internet is available and running. And of course, any router, no matter the brand, will work with it.

      The black telephone is, so to speak, the downfall of Swisscom, the dark reminder of how many years I had to leave unnecessary money lying there with no alternative.

      Well then, good luck in continuing to let Swisscom impose its “highly complex”, albeit completely unnecessary, corporate monopoly boxes and “exclusive offers” on you with great fanfare.

      So much for that. I’m afraid a lot of people have the wrong idea about this…

      Greeting

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        a month later

        If you prefer ubiquity hardware - here are instructions on how to do it: [https://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/bd-p/EdgeMAX/page/5](https://community.ubnt.com/ t5/EdgeMAX/bd-p/EdgeMAX/page/5). TV usually doesn’t pose any problems unless the provider uses classless static routing, which not every router supports out of the box.

        The SIP credentials have still to be released and you can drive as you want again. The IPTV streams can also be played with alternative hardware, but you only need the Swisscom Box for additional packages, replay and recordings.

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        @GrandDixence I have a Lacom 1781 EF, unfortunately the Swisscom SFP is not compatible with the Lancom. I then have a [media converter](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/tp-link-tp-link-mc220l-1x-sfp-1000base-sxlxlh-1x-rj45-1000base-t -media-converter-network-accessories-2739939) or this here. I discovered that the data throughput at 1 Gbit/s isn’t exactly that great.

        see [Table](https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.lancom-systems.de/download/documentation/Techpaper/TP_Routin g-Performance_DE.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjhwInzkuzOAhVBcBoKHajBCUoQFggdMAE&usg=AFQjCNFU5D53l151_iPhuv9_xYMuIm27bQ&sig2=FJDLljzzyLLDCIOuHoHukQ):. That’s why I first decided on the Mikrotik CCR1009-8G-1S-1S+, but then I got the [CCR1016-12S-1S+](https ://routerboard.com/CCR1016-12S-1Splus) was considered because of more computing power and data throughput.

        I currently have a RB2011UiAS-RM and a RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT (hAP ac) in operation. Works with SC-SFP module.

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        6 months later

        Note (addendum, March 15, 2017): In this post I was mainly concerned with the general compatibility of fiber optic SPFs with the FTTH fiber optic connection from Swisscom and possibly from other providers (possible pitfall: wrong reception wavelength). I won’t go into the topic of compatibility between the SFP module and a Lancom router. I’m on this somewhat older [post](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Lancom-Glasfibro-Router-%C3%BCber-Swisscom-Bluewin-m% C3%B6glich/m-p/448007#M1054 “https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Lancom-Glas Fiber-Router-%C3%BCber-Swisscom-Bluewin-m%C3%B6glich/m-p/448007#M1054 ”) bumped. Maybe it will find more readers in the future. I would therefore like to make the following (sometimes corrective) comments:

        The description for the SFP from Flexoptix mentioned in GrandDixence’s post is according to [the link provided](https://www.flexoptix.net/en/sfp-bidi-transceiver-1-gigabit-sm-tx1310nm-rx1550nm-10km- 12db-ddm-dom.html “https://www.flexoptix.net/en/sfp-bidi-transceiver-1-gigabit-sm-tx1310nm-rx1550nm-10km-12db-ddm-dom.html”): “1G SFP BIDI LX LC 10 km, TX1310 / RX1550 nm, single mode”. This SFP receives (RX) on a wavelength of 1550 nm and therefore cannot be used on a fiber optic connection (1000Base-BX10, customer side, converter/router) from Swisscom (for private customers; I am not aware of the corresponding options for Geschäftskunden) ( Reason: wrong reception wavelength). According to "Swisscom, Broadband Connectivity Services, Manual Technology. pdf?wcmmode=disabled&endless “https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/D_BBCS_Handbuch-Technik_V1-8%20(g%C3%BCltig%20ab%2001%2011%202016).pdf? wcmmode=disabled&endless”)" (version 1-8, pages 7-8):

        • "… The Anschluss profile on fiber optic synchronizes with 1000Base-BX10 converter/router always with 1Gbit/s symmetrical (Ethernet data rate)… The optical interface of the fiber optic socket (Optical Telecom Outlet - OTO) is 1000Base-BX- D. The converter/router must be of type 1000Base-BX-U.
        • The optical interface on the converter/router is described as follows:
          - 1000Base-BX-U: Sends on 1310nm and receives on 1490nm (TX@1310nm, RX@1490nm)…". Swisscom currently supplies fiber optic subscriptions (private customers) together with the router “Internet-Box 2 FIBER” (and probably Analogously also for the Internet Box Standard) the SFP shown (Siligence, SGA 441SFPO-1Gb, 1.25G T1310nm/R1490nm 10 km DDM, OST-1000BX-S34-10DI) This SFP receives on 1490 nm.

        1000Base-BX SFP (Swisscom)

        1000Base-BX SFP (Swisscom)

        The one mentioned in GrandDixence’s post Link to Fiber7 (Init7) contains the following information on the topic “Recommended hardware” for Fiber7:
        “The… recommended routers are equipped with bidirectional Gigabit optics. This BiDi optic converts the optical signal into an electrical one.”)
        Fiber7’s compatibility requirements mentioned in the link are: “… the necessary BiDi optics (recommended: Flexoptix) must meet the following specifications: 1 Gbit Singlefiber SFP Transceiver (10km/TX1310/RX1550)…”. A product “TP-Link MC220L including optics and 3 meter patch cable (Singlemode Simplex LC/APC–LC/PC)” is also mentioned. In this context there is also the "Fiber7 Hardwarebundle" by Digitec, which in addition to the “TP-Link MC220L Media Converter” also contains the SFP “TP-LINK TL-SM321B, SFP, Simplex, LX/LC (Transceiver)”. In diesem Zusammenhang gibt es auch noch das "Fiber7 Hardwarebundle" von Digitec, welches neben dem “TP-Link MC220L Media Converter” auch das SFP “TP-LINK TL-SM321B, SFP, Simplex, LX/LC (Transceiver)” enthält. Digitec’s [information on this SFP](https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/tp-link-tl-sm321b-sfp-simplex-lxlc-transceiver-netzwerk-zubehoer-2754319?tagIds= 7 “https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/tp-link-tl-sm321b-sfp-simplex-lxlc-transceiver-netzwerk-zubehoer-2754319?tagIds=7”) are: “… Supports bi-directional WDM technology, uses a single fiber strand, TX: 1310nm / RX: 1550nm”. Consequence:

        • The required optical interfaces on the fiber optic connection (customer side, converter/router to OTO socket) from Swisscom (1 GBit/s) and Fiber7 (1 GBit/s, Provider Init7; this may also apply to other providers/products) are different. The transmission wavelength is identical for both (TX 1310 nm), while the reception wavelengths are different (Swisscom: RX 1490 nm, Fiber7: RX 1550 nm).
        • This meant that normally different types of optics have to be used for both providers/products (i.e. Swisscom and Fiber7).
        • Only if the corresponding device (converter/SFP/router) supports both reception wavelengths can the same device be used for both specified providers/products (e.g. applies to the [Router FritzBox 5490](https://ch.avm.de/ products/fritzbox/fritzbox-5490/technical-data/ “https://ch.avm.de/produkte/fritzbox/fritzbox-5490/technical-data/”): “Technical data (fiber optic): Wavelength: TX 1310 nm, RX 1480 to 1580 nm…”). Note: In the past (i.e. before the “1 GBit/s” time with 1000Base-BX), Swisscom also used the wavelengths TX1310 / RX1550 nm on the router side with 100Base-BX.
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          user109 wrote:

          @rokx the Swisscom SFP is not compatible with the Lancom router. (as I already said in my thread).

          @user109:

          Thanks for the tip! I have [in my post](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Lancom-Glasfibro-Router-%C3%BCber-Swisscom-Bluewin-m%C3% B6glich/m-p/486761#M1531 “https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Diskussionen-%C3%BCber-das-Thema/Lancom-Glas Fiber-Router-%C3%BCber-Swisscom-Bluewin-m%C3%B6glich/m-p/486761#M1531 ”) a corresponding addendum has been added.

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