@robbieB is not meant personally. I’m always a bit more direct and clear 😉 It’s fun to think about things and speculate. You just shouldn’t expect anything to change as a result. Swisscom’s network construction has always been under great pressure, as everyone naturally wants to have the latest, best technology immediately and for good reasons. When stories come along that make everything even more expensive, then it just takes longer and longer.

There was once a mayor who accused my dear ex-colleagues of being personally responsible for the extinction of the community because he hadn’t installed fiber optics in the village x years ago. What can you say 😕 Smile and get through it.

My Anschluss is a 130/40 MBit/s VDSL Anschluss and I have to say, I can live with that very well. Expansion to FTTH will probably only be in 2026/2027. And will something fundamental change then? No.

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No topic, I also think it’s great from you 😇👍 That’s why there are such platforms within the community to exchange topics and perhaps discuss them controversially. But you’re right, there are such “nonsense” local councilors who, IMHO, are not that keen on the dramatics and technology. But unfortunately you hear such a statement often. I don’t really care about modern infrastructure in the municipality (area), although it is part of the GR’s performance goal… that you have UPC or Sunrise via HFC is completely sufficient. Well, what can you say about that? I prefer competition on the infrastructure with dozens of different providers, not just wholesale providers😉. Anyway… life goes on 🙂

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@robbieB You’re not completely alone in the area. On the map you can see that in the entire area, including the eastern part of Kempten, the connections are still connected to Outdoor PUS.

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For whatever reason, no mCAN was installed. The only way I can explain it is that the FTTS expansion in favor of FTTH was no longer planned there. And then the WEKO story happened and now you’re at the back again because feeders across Switzerland have to be added first.

The photos of the PUS were taken because it will then be removed with FTTH, but the copper cables that may still be necessary are spliced ​​into a sleeve in the shaft in front of the PUS. So only the possible construction measures were pre-recorded, as we will dismantle all PUS.

A little tip: The whole thing could be sped up if the property owner where the PUS is on it terminates the rental agreement. Or better yet, plan a building or something there so that the PUS would have to go away as soon as possible. A declaration that this is a nature conservation issue could also help. Since we will no longer be building a new PUS, FTTH would have to be planned there asap.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

@Roger G Thank you very much for the useful and very informative background information. Exactly, as you said, it’s an unfortunate situation, but on the other hand we have VDSL, which is better than hanging on an overhead line or an ADSL Anschluss somewhere.

And regarding the property on which the PUS is located, I cannot, with the best will in the world, imagine that the property owner (possibly a farmer) will unilaterally terminate the ‘lucrative’ contract with Swisscom 😉

Unfortunately, the PUS was built about 100 m too high up as the crow flies. If it had been built further towards the lake, it might have been called into question with the revised nature conservation guidelines for Lake Pfäffikersee (stronger moor protection).

I thank you anyway. Patience is in order here, at least we were also “in focus” of the SC.

N.B.: Nice photo that you documented there; You have chosen a nice place for the PUS 😉

Nice WE,

Robby

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The photo looks like Google Street view.

@5018 As already written above, the commissioned network builder ‘Axians’ was on site and carried out a location analysis including photo documentation. In my opinion, that would have to come from there. I assume that the @Roger G also requested the material👀 regarding further planning and the PUS Lifecycle topic, and was allowed to post it publicly here (non-confidentially). 😇

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Ok sorry, I was completely convinced of it (because of Axian’s presence) But the arrows aren’t explicit about it 👀… it’s obvious 🙌

Oh dear 🫣., it’s already an ‘embarrassment’

Let’s enjoy.the.summer weekend.

Thanks @5018 @foobar

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Tell me, was it a bit hot for everyone today that we had to discuss a picture here? I’m not going to go there and take a photo for you, nor am I going to CX or other TUs to ask what they did there.

Of course it’s Google Maps with our overlays of the network elements and even deeper the cable routes (for Guido: “Lime”) and you can also use Street View there. This is a very useful tool that helps, for example, to identify overhead lines without having to be on site, or to look at old C-pillars… or to show you where a PUS is located. That’s all 😋

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Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

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@Roger G

Back to the actual expansion topic, for the external locations of a pol. Community (which may have several ‘towns’ scattered around a certain perimeter). You mentioned in your post above that renovation projects could happen quickly… Well, when you talk about the ‘devil’, what a coincidence. In my case, I have now received a letter from the building administration in the municipality , and it refers to the renovation of the factory lines in my locality. Do you know anything about it? According to a request to the President of the Construction Administration, all stakeholders are informed in advance of construction projects. I now suspect that SC was not informed or was informed too quickly?! 😞

It would be ideal, after the opportunity was missed a year ago when renovating Schulhausstrasse, not to use the open “street holes” again to insert the empty pipes or fiber optic cables/feeders if necessary! That would be sub-optimal, even annoying, and questionable from an ecological point of view if the roads had to be torn up again at a later date. 😉

Cheerz

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@robbieB Ugh, the physical structure is way too far away from me.

Important to know: The municipalities and their constructive planning (line routing, position of the sockets, etc.) are assigned to the TU by Swisscom. They then have to plan the communities with their resources. This means that the TU must be informed about such projects. And yes, we are normally informed by the municipalities when it comes to planning such civil engineering projects.

And otherwise always applies:

Partner Customer Care Center: 0800 477 587 (free)

or https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/netz/connection/kontakt.html

If you put the information there, it goes to the right place.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

Thank you very much @Roger G for the quick and friendly response with the reference to the contact point.

I have submitted my request and am looking forward to the answer.

N.B: I have attached a letter from the construction administration with the planning data for the construction work/renovation of the service lines 🙂

Cheerio,

Rob

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@Roger G Do you even receive an answer to the submitted request via Netzbau? 😕 Or is it all “behind the doors”;_) I haven’t gotten any feedback on it since then, it’s a shame whether something is happening or it’s not considered necessary because it’s not in the “scope”…. …. It would be nice to know whether it will be helpful and whether you will then obtain the appropriate “permits” from the municipality. 😉

cheerz

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@robbieB Hmm, I don’t know the process behind it. Ev. The request is clarified by the construction department and then submitted to the affected departments. According to my colleagues, we are very well informed by the communities about their existing buildings.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

Understood. Then I’ll assume that the information has ‘found its way’ and the network construction stakeholders can take the appropriate steps. Thank you for the quick feedback 👍🫶

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Unfortunately no, this is a single location that will probably be opened up with glass as part of “day-to-day business” outside of the rollout plan.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

@Roger G But if you have to pull the glass for 9 NE’s from Hittnauerstrasse PFA CO into the sewer system to the property, then you might as well pull another 500-600 Fs to Auslikon, or is it thinking too simply? Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m talking about the principle that the fiber optic cables have already been laid. It’s not about preparing the telephone exchange with additional ODF and connections in the respective racks for the future NE’s in a later roll-out. This effort is then part of the roll-out…

I think you can build it more efficiently so that you are then ‘construction ready’ for the roll-out. Then you hit two birds with one stone. Obviously I don’t have all the details, however, but that would sound logical to me as a network builder. Maybe too simple / superficially considered E2E. If I make any mistakes in my use case scenario with a new building, I’m happy to learn.

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@robbieB

The TU has the task of opening up a specific area by a certain point in time (or adding feeders). If the community is not planned by the end of 25 and a building is built beforehand, this will of course be developed before the rollout. But the resources are not enough to do the whole community. Either you plan to take them away from another location (then they have to be moved), or only this location will be built without the entire community. Until the planned drop, it would be right to pull the right fiber optic cable with enough fibers so that all NE from the drop onwards can be supplied later. But it’s up to the TU to plan so that it doesn’t have to do it again later.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access