None of us here know whether Swisscom is deprioritizing your brands.
But this is already possible.
Other brands sometimes do this with their brands, which I have heard personally.
But I can tell you that deprioritization with Wingo etc. will not have an extreme impact on your usage experience on the smartphone etc., so that the connection would really become unusable, since the Swisscom network compared to the other competitors:
A: Almost all antenna locations in Switzerland are connected multiple times via fiber, whereas the other two competitors often connect via directional radio.
B: Swisscom has significantly more antenna locations throughout Switzerland than its competitors have.
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This means that in the Swisscom network there is hardly ever a point where the network would really come to a complete stop. And where a capacity bottleneck could occur, Swisscom often ensures that you set up temporary mobile antenna locations, for example, in order to avoid a bottleneck. This, for example, on larger occasions etc.
Swisscom also has indoor coverage in many buildings. Firstly, reception is greatly improved and the signal from outside and its antenna, if present, are relieved.
If a situation were to arise where the network or an antenna were really in a bottleneck, Swisscom could theoretically deprioritize Wingo and your other brands.
But that would be a slightly different reduction in performance than you would feel with Lebera or Yallo on the Sunrise network, for example.
Why?
An example.
A Sunrise antenna is massively overloaded via LTE.
In the worst case scenario, it is still connected via radio link and only sends out LTE800-only.
Even normal customers only get a few megabits of data speed.
Sunrise’s secondary brands and brands, if they were deprioritized, would receive even less speed. Thanks to deprioritization, internet access is sometimes less than one megabit.
In the Swisscom network, a scenario like this one occurs much less often, for the capacity reasons I mentioned above.
This means that if Swisscom were to actually de-prioritize your brands, a fairly acceptable and usable connection would still be possible for most usage scenarios.
I don’t want to say that the Sunrise or Salt network is consistently bad, there are also places where Salt or Sunrise performs best.
Seen across the board, the really extremely good speed values and network stability are what are most common with Swisscom.
What do I mean by this:
If you are not satisfied with Wingo because you might be deprioritized but don’t know whether it will actually be done, I would recommend a Blue subscription directly from Swisscom, which of course costs significantly more than a Wingo subscription.
You could also try another network provider to see if it can provide better speed values. Or, if possible, have a landline installed with all kinds of connection options.
But at the same time I think you can definitely live with your measured 10Mbits, especially when using a smartphone. And at most locations in Switzerland, Wingo almost always has much higher values.
In my opinion, even after many years, I have never experienced a really negative speed value with a Wingo mobile subscription. Neither in cities, aglos, buildings, nor in the countryside.
In any case, I think the price/performance ratio of Wingo is unbeatable.
LG Funkfuchs🦊
You probably mean deprioritize - as in many other places in your text
@funkfuchs wrote:
A Sunrise or Salt antenna is massively overloaded.
Even normal customers only get a few kilobits of data speed.
Such an antenna case occurs much more often than with Swisscom, based on the capacity reasons I described above.
So with a low-cost provider on the Saltnetz or Sunrise network you no longer have any speed at all, and you are down-prioritized much earlier.🦊
Nana, experience has shown that the competitors are definitely not as bad as it is portrayed here, they are also at a pretty high level…
….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
But that doesn’t mean that Sunrise doesn’t have that too. There, too, you will not find any information regarding a possible deprioritization of MVNO providers. Only when it comes to the fair use policy does Sunrise say that they de-prioritize their own customers, even with expensive mobile subscriptions with consumption of around 100GB per month. From 500GB onwards, there is further deprioritization, and they also expressly reserve the right to take further control measures 😃 They are transparent on this point.
Would it also be rather strange to print that on the invoice? Doesn’t make any sense either. As far as I know, you only receive a text message from the operator informing you of this. In extreme cases, they will call you. At Swisscom, over 100GB shouldn’t be a problem, although there are no figures as to when exactly this fair use policy applies.
You can use the QCI value to find out the traffic priority. To do this you need a rooted Snapdragon Android device with the Network Signal Guru app.
Then find out the QCI value of the Internet APN in Network Signal Guru.
The higher the QCI value, the lower the priority.
Most often QCIs between 5 and 9 are used. 5 is used for IMS (VoLTE), the rest for normal data traffic.
Example: A prepaid SIM from the MVNO Mucho Mobile (Swisscom network) has a QCI value of 7.
@AbRah-SH wrote:
The higher the QCI value, the lower the priority.
QCIs between 5 and 9 are mostly used. 5 is used for IMS (VoLTE), the rest for normal data traffic.
Example: A prepaid SIM from the MVNO Mucho Mobile (Swisscom network) has a QCI value of 7.
According to the English language Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QoS_Class_Identifier
and the document ETSI TS 23.203 version 17.2.0, chapter 6.1.7.2:
https://portal.etsi.org/webapp/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=64692
QCI:=9 is the correct QCI rating for all data transmissions from non-time critical services with high packet loss rate requirements. So all 0815 applications from private customers should be processed over the air interfaces with QCI:=9. By 0815 applications from private customers I mean:
- Play video
- Listen to internet radio
- Surfing the Internet (via web browser)
- Sending and receiving emails
- Chat (Whatsapp and so on)
A packet loss rate < 1E-6 is a mandatory basic requirement for fast data transmission! See:
[https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Archiv-Internet/IB3-erreach-nur-2-4-gbit-down-up-anstatt-10-gbit-8-2gbit-die/m-p/680968#M102795 ] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Archiv-Internet/IB3-erreach-nur-2-4-gbit-down-up-anstatt-10-gbit-8-2gbit-die/m-p/680968#M102795 )
Since 0815 applications are not time-critical, the “Packet Delay Budget” may be > 100 ms.
According to the information in the Wikipedia page:
[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichweit\_(radio technology)](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichweit_(radio technology))
A bit error rate of 0.1% (BER = 1E-3) is sufficient for voice transmission. It is also known that voice telephony can tolerate a delay of a maximum of 100 milliseconds, so the “Packet Delay Budget” should be < 101 ms for any voice telephony over the mobile network. Accordingly, voice telephony (VoLTE + VoNR) should be carried out with the classification QCI:=1 or QCI:=7.
The difference between QCI:=1 and QCI:=7 is the “Priority Level” and the packet loss rate. In overload situations, voice telephony with QCI:=1 has priority over voice telephony with QCI:=7. The influence of the bit error rate or packet loss rate on the voice quality of voice telephony was discussed in detail under:
https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Mobile/VoLTE/m-p/755519#M11696
shown.
A mobile phone antenna should logically first send the signaling of telephone calls on the air interface (QCI:=5 => Priority Level 1), then transmit the voice data of voice telephony (QCI:=1 or QCI:=7 => Priority Level 2 to 7) and At the very end, distribute the remaining transmission capacity of the air interface to the 0815 applications (QCI:=9 => Priority Level 9).
\=> I do not know and cannot view the QCI classification of voice telephony at Swisscom. So I don’t know whether Swisscom handles voice telephony via QCI:=1 or QCI:=7.
Swisscom could use QCI:=8 for “premium customers”. For example:
- QCI:=8 for 0815 applications from “Premium” customers (Priority Level 8)
- QCI:=9 for 0815 applications from “Low Budget” customers (Priority Level 9)
This means that in an overload situation, the data packets of “premium” customers would be given preferential treatment.
\=> The QCI classification of the 0815 applications at Swisscom and Wingo is not known to me and cannot be viewed.
I’m not a cell phone engineer. I suspect that there are much more complex mechanisms in today’s mobile network that regulate the time slot allocation. On the topic of “time slot allocation” see also:
[https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-general/XGS-PON-Glasfibro-Wie-funktioniert-die-Rationierung/m-p/772303#M68963] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Internet-general/XGS-PON-Glasfibro-Wie-funktioniert-die-Rationierung/m-p/772303#M68963)
@dxbruelhart Which subscription exactly?
Swisscom Blue Mobile L
Logically, there is prioritisation between the premium providers and the low-cost brands. So you have a reduced bandwidth with Wingo at peak times compared to Swisscom. Just as with the low-cost brands from Sunrise (Lebara, Yallo and Swype) you have a reduced bandwidth at peak times compared to Sunrise. However, it should be noted that with Wingo you have a higher bandwidth and significantly better network coverage than with the low-cost brands from Sunrise.