Disconnections with IB3

Hello everyone

Unfortunately, we have been having massive problems with the IB3 at home for a good two weeks.

Briefly about the “path of suffering”

- About 2 years ago we still had 32 Mbit at home. The performance became significantly better with an Internet Booster and IB2. Then came the step to around 140 Mbit with the IB2. This has actually worked quite well so far.

- About half a year ago we received an IB3 without being asked because the IB2 apparently restarted several times and a problem was found.

- We have had the following problem for about 2 weeks:

The IB3 loses its connection to the Internet several times a day and lights up red permanently. Waiting doesn’t help. But as soon as I restart the box the connection works again. I then contacted support and the problem was passed on to an expert. A week ago the appointment was made for today, December 14th, 2020. Funnily enough, from the time I made the appointment over the phone, I no longer had a problem.

Today a very friendly technician came by. I’m by no means an IT specialist but I think he did the following:

First a measurement directly on the router. He noticed a lot of packet loss. The line from the house connection to the router was rebuilt about 2 years ago when we received a Internet-Booster due to problems.

He then took a measurement on the house connection and was able to determine that there was a lot of packet loss there too.

The technician then went to the distribution box 2 houses away and analyzed it there. It appears that a cable was already oxidized black but was too short to rewire. Connections were also not free, etc. He therefore removed the oxidation as best as possible and achieved a slight improvement on the house connection. He said he would definitely report this distribution box for detailed analysis. And then the network builder might have to make a repair/improvement. So far so good.

Unfortunately, after the technician left, I had three interruptions again today, which can only be solved by restarting the IB3. Why did I have to rest for almost a week before? I did some reading and read about self-stabilization. Could it be that my internet had stabilized itself in the meantime and that I no longer had any problems and the technician somehow reset it?

I also have a powerline in the house because I just can’t get everywhere I need to go with the internet. But I only read after the technician’s visit that this could possibly lead to problems.

Here are the measurements since the last restart about 1 hour ago

Synchronization speedUpstream35045 kbit/sDownstream174021 kbit/sSignal-to-noise ratioUpstream6.1 dBDownstream6.1 dBLast synchronization0 days 0 hours 55 minDSLAM chipset type (network equipment)BroadcomVectoringActivatedDSL Datapump VersionA2pvfbK046j2.d27fFEC since last SynchronizationUpstream273Downstream3622450

CRC since last synchronizationUpstream0Downstream880

Thanks and greetings

Philip

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So, the IB3 and also the IB2 are probably blameless. For the values, the Anschluss probably runs on g.fast and that is more sensitive. Unfortunately one of those cases where Swisscom would have to repair the line, which is too expensive. Therefore this always remains a problem.

@Roger G can you watch this? Maybe limit it to VDSL?

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So in the iB3 site I see that it runs on g.fast.

As already mentioned, a technician was already there today and said he would arrange for this area (I assume distributor) to be looked at more closely and possibly repaired.

I actually don’t want to stir up confusion here when technicians are already taking care of it. I just wanted to ask if you knew of a possible solution to what else could be done in the house.

If it helps, my reference for the error would be 000006355077

Is it possible that this is causing problems for Devolo Dlan? I mean, I wired everything as intended, not in power strips, etc.) I’ve been using the Devolo for about 5 years and have never had any problems of this kind. Unfortunately, I don’t know how long G.fast has been running. I mean, at home I’ve had the current speed of around 140 Mbit for around 1.5 years

Greeting

Philip

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@Pipo_L

Try unplugging the powerline adapters for a few days and observe.

I bet 99% of the time the problems will be gone…

Experience has shown that Powerline and g.fast don’t get along very well

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@Pipo_L

With new components, a 5-year-old D-LAN (Powerline) can cause a problem.

How is this D-LAN used?

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That’s just the way it is now. We live in a house from the 70s that consists of around 90% reinforcing iron. With the IB3 the signal only comes from the office. If I had to use the signal that I currently have as a reference, about 5 or 6 IB3 would be needed in the house to cover everything.

That’s why the powerline connects directly to the router. From there it is spread over 3 locations:

- My room (furthest away from the router. IB3 at no signal in my room) Here a powerline adapter acts as an access point for my devices (some via LAN and also via WiFi)

- An adapter goes into the basement area where there is a projector/home cinema. The devices are connected there via LAN.

- The last adapter goes to the rear cellar for the heating, whose gateway can only be connected via Lan.

I actually don’t want to give up all of these things.

The question is, now I’m dealing with two separate problems or is it related:

- Today major packet losses from the distributor in the district were diagnosed

- The IB hangs up often. Is this due to the high packet losses or because of the powerlines.

Thanks and greetings

Philip

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Nevertheless - to narrow down the problem, you should try this.

And then consult your trusted electrician to see what options there are.

- Place IB3 more centrally

- Use of possibly unused CableTV / telephone pipes.

- etc.

The longer Powerline is, the more devilish it is…

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PLC and g.Fast are compatible… if you do it right. Unfortunately Devolo is bad 😞

@Pipo_L: It is very important that you do not plug the IB3 power supply into the socket of the PLC device; not even via a power strip. It’s best to plug it into another socket in the room and not the one where the PLC is located.

If the terminals are corroded and Cablex takes a look at this, then the contacts in the distributor will definitely be replaced. Even if it turns out that the line has a ground fault or other poor insulation values, it will also be replaced. I hope it will be investigated soon. I can’t/won’t intervene as I have to reduce vacation time 🙂 Let us know if anything could be fixed.

Best regards

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

Hello Roger, thank you also for your input.

As a test, I will plug the IB3 into another room using an extension cable and observe in the first step.

In the 2nd I’ll try it without the powerline.

Are there any indications that I can monitor to see if it is better? For example at the FEC or crc?

Greetings Philip

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@Pipo_L wrote:

Are there any indications that I can monitor as to whether it is better? For example at the FEC or crc?


The main indication is that the LED on the IB3 no longer turns red 😉


@Roger G wrote:

PLC and g.Fast are compatible… if you do it right.


Even if you do it “right”, no powerline is 100x more correct in connection with g.fast 😉

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@Pipo_L

As already mentioned, it would be good to pull a LAN cable into the distant rooms and if you need WLAN there, connect the WLAN-Box as an access point, at the same time you also have two additional LAN ports available.

The WiFi signal still works very well through a wall or ceiling, so you could easily connect WiFi devices in the adjoining rooms.

[https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/geraet/heimvernetzung/wlan-box/wlan-box-einrichten.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/ device/heimvernetzung/wlan-box/wlan-box-einrichten.html)

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@Pipo_L wrote:

Are there any indications that I can monitor as to whether it is better? For example at the FEC or crc?

Greetings Philip


Yes, the high FEC will decrease.

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

Now I had another error.

I immediately plugged the router into a different socket.

After 7 minutes of YouTube about 950,000 FEC down and red light on the router again.

I’ll keep you updated. I’m trying to present the whole thing in Excel in a somewhat clear manner. After the technician’s visit today, I had 5 red LEDs permanently lit.

Edit:
Above all, I’m wondering why this is suddenly happening. Can you see when g.fast was changed over? Can it be related to the latest firmware update of the IB3?

I don’t think it makes sense that after 3 minutes I’m down to 700,000 FEC again.

The best thing: I have a satellite TV that now also works when there is no internet… even though it doesn’t even need it to receive the television signal… I’m really starting to doubt everything.

Thanks and greetings

Philip

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@Pipo_L

Forget PowerLine and install Gigabit Ethernet. This is the only way you will have a permanently problem-free, stable, high-performance, trouble-free connection. The effort may be quite high, but it’s worth it.

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I am also aware that Gigabit Ethernet is the better choice. But I’m simply not prepared to spend the money on this scale. The house is just too old and there are no clever ways to do this.

It worked more or less well before

Greetings Philip

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@Pipo_L

There are many options for assembly:

- Existing empty pipes

- Ribbon cable behind the skirting board

- Small, inconspicuous surface-mounted channels

-…

And you can’t derive common law from the fact that it worked at some point. In addition, it apparently only worked more or less well, but with an Ethernet cable it worked perfectly.

Anyway, I don’t want to force anyone to be happy.

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No, no, I think we’re talking past each other.

It’s clear to me that this is basically possible.

I would just like to know why I’ve only been having problems with this in the last 2 weeks. If at this point they switched to G.fast or loaded new firmware or reset some kind of stabilization, I would understand. But it has to come from somewhere that it no longer works.

By the way, I reconnected the router to its original socket. With the router plugged into a socket in another room, after 10 minutes at the latest I had another interruption with around 2 million Fec down.

Thanks and greetings

Philip

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PowerLine can work well for years and suddenly problems start. A new device connected to the 230-volt network or an existing device connected to a different phase or an extension cable or string of lights (Christmas lights?) plugged in somewhere are enough to cause problems.

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@Pipo_L wrote:

I would just like to know why I’ve only been having problems with this in the last 2 weeks. If at this point they switched to G.fast or loaded new firmware or reset some kind of stabilization, I would understand. But it has to come from somewhere that it no longer works.

By the way, I reconnected the router to its original socket. With the router plugged into a socket in another room, after 10 minutes at the latest I had another interruption with around 2 million Fec down.

Thanks and greetings

Philip


I’ve now taken a look at the values ​​and noticed that some idiot has removed the stabilization and as a result the disturbances are back! The values ​​go through the roof to g.Fast 😞 and it takes time again until things are stable due to manual intervention. In addition, the stabilization at the time was not enough.

Your problems didn’t start with g.Fast; the router has been syncing for a long time without any problems. The problems started on November 23rd-24th, 2020, which then stabilized. Can you imagine that something changed in the home network at this point?

Otherwise I see that the FW has changed. If it’s possible for you, install the beta and check stability again. [https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/internet/firmware-aktualizen-internet-box.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/internet/firmware- update-internet-box.html)

Good luck

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Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access