When will 10 Gbit/s come?

Since some people are apparently actually “looking forward” to 10Gbit/s, it should perhaps be mentioned again that you can’t really get this 10Gbit/s on your end device because the IB3 only has a 2.5Gbit/s LAN port.

So don’t expect people to upgrade their boxes with expensive 10Gbit NICs and then be surprised…

The 10 Gig NIC from Asus is not that expensive. And as far as I know, there isn’t a NIC with “only” 2.5 Gig, i.e. if you connect the PC to the 2.5 Gig port and also want to use the 2.5 Gig, you have to buy a 10 Gig NIC anyway.

yes, there are various adapters, e.g. TB3 with 2.5 Gbit

@hed

According to reports, the 2.5 Gbit NICs will soon be on the rise.

This means that it will probably soon be the case (at least if what you hear is true) that regular PCs with regular mainboards will also have a 2.5 Gbit NIC, whereas 10 Gbit is still a long way off. In this respect, Swisscom’s decision regarding the IB3 even makes sense.

Personally, I’m of course not very keen on the idea of ​​delaying nationwide 10Gbit by artificially inserting a 2.5Gbit “generation” in between. But apparently that’s what the industry has in mind for us.

But it is clearly not possible to establish 10 Gbit on the market in the foreseeable future. Given the prices that are charged for a 10 Gbit switch or a 10 Gbit network card, that doesn’t surprise me either. If 2.5 Gbit comes onto the market at similar prices to Gbit, I see potential there. After all, with 2.5 Gbit LAN, the download time can ideally be reduced by around 60%.

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@suisse wrote:

yes, there are various adapters, e.g. TB3 with 2.5 Gbit

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Thanks, I didn’t know that.

But if a 2.5 Gig NIC is not significantly cheaper than a 10 Gig NIC, then you can also buy a 10 Gig NIC. Before Corona, you could temporarily have the Asus card for around CHF 65.

Higher quality devices have a 10gbps NIC (5 speed)

Budget and mass-produced devices only come with a 2.5 gbps Anschluss.

The Swisscom router only has a 2.5 gbps Anschluss because the Broadcom chipset is only available in a combination of DSL + SFP+ including Wifi 6. The alternative would be an SFP+ including Wifi 6 chipset with 10 gbps NIC (ala SALT Fiber Box)
The decision was probably made against it for cost reasons so that more customers could benefit from Wifi 6.

In fiber installations, the router is now the bottleneck.

If you were to configure your own router, you would of course use at least a 10gbps NIC.

So it’s a compromise from a financial perspective that doesn’t make a CTO happy in the heart but is somehow still sold as good by marketing. A quantum leap 🤣

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@hed wrote:

But if a 2.5 Gig NIC is not significantly cheaper than a 10 Gig NIC, then you can also buy a 10 Gig NIC. Before Corona, you could temporarily have the Asus card for around CHF 65.

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Sure, the important thing is often not what you can buy, but what you already have. And since Intel (as I said, according to reports) soon wants to start throwing 2.5 Gbit chipsets onto the mass market (which will then end up in “commercially available” PCs and notebooks and replace Gigabit Ethernet there), it will probably happen soon It seems that 2.5 Gbit is a widely used standard, while 10 Gbit remains something for those who really want it and can afford it.

Especially since a 10 Gbit NIC is usually not enough… if it is, then you also want a 10 Gbit switch and a 10 Gbit NAS… and then it quickly becomes quite expensive.

As I said: I would also prefer if 1 Gbit were replaced by 10 Gbit straight away. But apparently that’s not what’s happening on the mass market or what the corporations intended for it.

(In addition to the connection options on the WAN & LAN side, what’s also exciting in the end is what the router actually creates for a WAN->LAN throughput. If I have 10 Gbit at both ends but everything in between is slowed down because, for example, the firewall isn’t there has enough power, then the “quantum leap” is again limited to marketing, not to mention that the source and everything in between also have to deliver… so I’m personally interested in the 10 Gbit History is more internal to the LAN than on the WAN side anyway.)

On the router side, the biggest problem will probably be 10 Gbit. From Ubiquiti, for example, there is the Dream Machine Pro (approx. CHF 450), which ideally achieves 8 Gbit throughput, but without IDS, DPI, SQM, etc. There are also suitable routers from Mikrotik, but they cost significantly more . For example, the CCR1036-8G-2S+ with an RRP of $1095! Furthermore, these are of course pure routers, i.e. no IAD with WiFi, DECT etc. Accordingly, I don’t really believe in real 10 Gbit capable routers in the consumer sector. Too expensive and complicated.

@cslu Just a reminder, since I (still as GuidoT) was allowed/had to/should write it several times. We would have liked to have installed a 10 GBit/s port. However, there is no chipset that supports FTTH & copper and can then address a 10 Gps port. Of course we could have installed one anyway, but then you would still only get 2-3 Gbit/s. That would certainly and even justifiably have been viewed as fraudulent. Intel will offer such a chipset in the future. Broadcom doesn’t want to or can’t. Intel, which is not entirely insignificant in the PC market, told us very clearly that the future in the consumer market is the 2.5 GBit/s port. 10 is and remains for the business segment. And by that I don’t mean the dentist around the corner. And by the time 2.5 Gbit/s has become established, there will probably already be an IB X.

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@5018 wrote:

. Intel, which is not entirely insignificant in the PC market, told us very clearly that the future in the consumer market is the 2.5 GBit/s port. 10 is and remains for the business segment. And by that I don’t mean the dentist around the corner. And by the time 2.5 Gbit/s has become established, there will probably already be an IB X.

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So exactly what I wrote, right? 😉

Intel’s roadmap is probably very much driven by marketing.

When 1 Gig is exhausted, the prices are in the basement and there is nothing left to earn, then you go to 2.5 Gig for a few years, then to 5 Gig, until in 10 years you enter the mass market with 10 Gig. In the meantime, you can really cash in on the 10 gigs at the Geschäftskunden.

This means you can make multiple checkouts at the same time. At least as long as consumers go along with it. This is generally a common trick: releasing new products onto the market in bits and pieces, but with a lot of fuss.

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@hed wrote:

Intel’s roadmap is probably very much driven by marketing.

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I assume that too. Intel in particular prefers to deliver performance improvements in the smallest possible annual doses (and can then, miraculously, suddenly make somewhat larger leaps when AMD comes around the corner again).

I think the official reason is that you can continue to use the existing cables… 🙄

Well, nothing will help. If Intel wants it that way, then it will probably happen that way. Maybe in a few years they will want to add 5 Gbit in between… 😉

I have recently been dealing with the topic of >1Gbit private networks.

10Gbit really doesn’t seem like the next step. The way I see it is mainly because of the power consumption of the chips. See the Asus card, which gets very hot during operation, and the switches, which are not available without active cooling. And for private use, a switch in the room with a fan is definitely a knockout. Criterion for most including me.

2.5Gbit network cards are already available to buy for fair prices in China (https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4000155155294.html) . For those who don’t know anything about Realtek: We had the best experiences with the Realtek chipsets at LAN parties (Win95). Legendary is the 8029 chipset with 10Mbit and then later the 100Mbit with the 8139. If the quality has not decreased, then these are good cards. I’m really tempted to order a few.

Intel itself still seems to have problems with its new 2.5Gbit chip =>

[https://www.computerbase.de/2020-04/intel-lan-controller-i225-foxville-hardwarefix](https://www.computerbase.de/2020-04/intel-lan-controller-i225- foxville hardware fix)

There is nothing to be found with 2.5Gbit switches, no announcement from the major manufacturers, nothing.

Realtek is low end. For many reasons. We also looked at… like a thousand other things. But it doesn’t make any sense.

If you want quality and that includes support + good software, then very few will work. I was at Qualcomm in California. Because of their know-how in the field of mobile communications, they are really good at making things powerful and small, but they don’t have everything. Then you start mixing everything. The result is that you need a lot more chips, which are actually redundant, and you have to mix software from different manufacturers. If there is a problem… and there always is. That’s why I have great appreciation for Broadcom. Not cheap, but the overall package is just right.

The funny thing is that you always have to be careful with the Americans. So many have German-speaking ancestors and many can speak a little (more) German. That’s where you’re surprised. So my advice: never make a joke about your business partners because you think they don’t understand you anyway… I never did, just to make it clear.

@Stoepsel248 it’s even cheaper with Mikrotik:

the brand new router: CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS for $595

and the switch CRS312-4C+8XG-RM with 12 × 10Gbit/s ports for a competitive price of $599

I think the prices are impressive. If I want such routers/switches from Cisco, I can add a 0 to it.

I’m waiting for the Huawei HN8255Ws, which has a 10Gbit/s port, IWay wants this device from May, for the 10Gbit/s

Insert offer.

Salt is too overbooked for me. I think Iway won’t be that overbooked at first.

The CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS (what a great name) only has SFP+ and no RJ45. This makes it rather unsuitable for home users. And $599 for a 12-port switch is a good price, but from the perspective of 99.9% of all consumers that is far (far) too expensive. I think most customers are willing to pay a maximum of $100 for a 12 port switch (regardless of the speed). There are currently 16-port models with gigabit starting at around $50. As long as multi-gigabit does not penetrate these price ranges, it will have little appeal among end consumers.

@Stoepsel248 if you take the modules here: S+RJ10 then you also have a copper connection 10Gbit/s.

I think that’s the cool thing about the SFP connections - you can choose what you need.

I mean it doesn’t matter whether fiber or copper Anschluss, I can use the appropriate network cards in the PC / server.

Maybe I’m looking at this from a network geek’s perspective. For me these are unbeatable prices compared to 5 years ago.