@gundi Just order FTTH on demand then you don’t have to wait for Swisscom in general network expansion, adheres to the agreements made at the time and/or antitrust law requirements. Thanks to the “brain amputee” (as you call him), you can currently even get 25 Gbit/s via this FTTH on demand fiber (which is built in P2P), and probably even faster at some point in the future.

It’s not that easy either. I created an FTTH on demand order, but then the lovely ZH Lines people informed me that it was not possible because the TU (Axians) had already marked the property as FTTH developed. But the “expanded FTTH” is just a non-marketable P2MP installation.

Where can I order this? And how is this supposed to work? In our case the fiber is laid down to the basement and then… what happens next. Doesn’t the SC have to do this right up to the apartment?

Thanks for the answers

@gundi Now the crucial question is whether P2P or P2M is in the basement. If it’s P2M, which I probably assume, Swisscom isn’t allowed to market it until it’s P2P. Only then can the OTO boxes be installed in the apartments.

Incidentally, the dispute over open access to fiber optic networks is over 15 years old.

Here is another quote about Zürinet (i.e. the fiber optic network of the city of Zurich):

"In March 2007, the voters of the city of Zurich approved a credit line of 200 million francs for the construction and operation of an EWZ broadband network. Against the will of the SVP and the Telco lobby of [Swisscom](https://www.itreseller .ch/company/400/Swisscom.html) and Cablecom. The EWZ itself does not provide any services.

EWZ-Zürinet is designed as an open network and is available to all interested telecommunications companies and service providers without discrimination. In April, the national telco association Openaxs was founded by several regional electricity companies to promote open telecommunications networks using fiber optic technology."

Not least because of Zürinet, which was under construction at the time, Swisscom had great concerns about no longer being able to operate its own fiber optic network in the big cities, but rather about being “overtaken on the right” by the big EWs and thus also losing market power.

That’s why Swisscom itself then invented the idea of ​​the “4-fiber model” and introduced it to the large municipal utilities (which originally only wanted to build a 1-fiber P2P model), thus giving the starting signal for the large city networks to also cooperate to build with the municipal utilities.

Unfortunately, around 2019, the original inventor of the 4-fiber model himself completely forgot his original goals regarding the openness of the fiber optic networks as part of the FTTS/B expansion and then again during the further expansion of the FTTH connections and now has to do so for the anti-competitive exploitation of its monopoly-like position in retail access based on the antitrust law.

I would currently rate the chance that the Federal Court, as the last instance, will ultimately see this as very high.

If they had stuck with their own opinion at the time about the importance of open networks, Swisscom could have saved itself a lot of inconvenience and a lot of bad investments.

You can find a thousand reasons why the PCs are the culprits. Just my abstraction is as follows: I would like to have a fiber optic connection today and not in 10 years. I’m not interested in who wants or is allowed to do what kind of technology. The SC is a state-owned company that belongs to us. (or not?) So anyone who harms the PC harms us. And if the SC doesn’t earn enough for new investments, they receive our tax money as support.

Greetings gundi

@gundi No, Swisscom is not a state-owned company. Swisscom is a completely normal stock corporation with many different shareholders (owners). One of these owners is the federal government, which holds 51%. But the federal government cannot do what it wants with this, because there are also minority rights, among other things.

@gundi Check with Netzbau, they may be able to tell you more about when the time will come for you.

I asked and it now works surprisingly quickly for me (because it apparently has enough fibers for 4-4-1).

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@foobar wrote:

@gundi Check with Netzbau, they may be able to tell you more about when the time will come for you.

I asked and it now works surprisingly quickly for me (because it apparently has enough fibers for 4-4-1).

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Anything that is not visible in the checker has no hold. So stop asking around, because all the planning data is in the checker. And if there is no date, then nothing is planned for this year and even if a community is planned for 2024 in the feeder migration, that does not mean that it will also be possible at the specific address. It’s interesting how you can drive yourself crazy about “wanting to have” 😁

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@gundi wrote:

Where can I order this? And how is this supposed to work? In our case the fiber is laid down to the basement and then… what happens next. Doesn’t the SC have to do this right up to the apartment?

Thanks for the answers

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For n posts it has been shown here why this doesn’t work. You have no choice but to wait until it is possible to tighten the feeder for the entire community. And that will simply take a long time, because a large part of it is connected to FTTS/B, but where you live, FTTS was no longer built due to the introduction of xgsPON. The fibers were pulled in, but we know the rest.

And when a community is quite large, everyone understands that it takes more effort to tighten the cables. Simply calculated, 1 or 2 fibers per household and in (almost) every corner of the community. Those in the development near you (e.g. same street name, House 33) were stuck and got FTTH as a new building because copper was no longer being used.

So, checking once a month to see if anything is happening is enough.

steff

Doesn’t it still have a telephone number under the note about the fibre optic expansion where you can contact ?

steff

In apartment blocks (whether rented or owned), Swisscom normally installs one OTO socket per flat directly in the flat free of charge.

As the date approaches, you will be contacted by the installation company to determine the date and possible installation location.

steff Is the cable pulled all the way into the flat or only to the distributor in the apartment block?

Only up to the distributor (no full connection)

@“steff ”#p865822If it doesn’t go all the way to the flat, do I have to contact Swisscom?

If the 10G is available, you can initiate the switch in mySwisscom. If the landlord doesn’t put any obstacles in the way, the fibre optic cable will be pulled into the flat and the socket installed.

steff And finally, are there any costs involved? I’ve read that Swisscom will take care of this, is that the case?

It’s free of charge for you. But if, for whatever reason, you want the fibre optic socket in a different location to the one specified by the landlord, then you pay for the conversion yourself

steff Many thanks in advance.

Always happy to help 🙂

Werner As the date approaches, you will be contacted by the installation company to finalise the date and possible installation location.

No, the installation location of the OTO is agreed with the owner/landlord during the planning and on-site inspection. The tenant has no say in this.

Roger G No, the installation location of the OTO is agreed with the owner/landlord during the planning and on-site inspection. The tenant has no say in this.

Of course, you are always right about Access questions, and this also applies here, but @steff’s question was not about a rented flat, but explicitly about a condominium, so you just got the wrong answer 🙂

WalterB

No, there is no phone number.

Werner and Roger G

Many thanks for your answers. Let’s wait and see 🙂

Greetings

steff