There are communities that would rather pay money so that they don’t want to take in refugees.
In Zurich we prefer to pay “ex” state companies like EW and Swisscom to build a fiber optic network for us. This means that the electricity meters have a fiber optic connection, which is cheaper than the copper cables from Swisscom…
That’s why we have little Eritrea in Oerlikon.
So what, that’s life. The main thing is that I get 10GE 😄
@oldiesbutgoldies Which community are you talking about? Decades ago, we Swiss managed to ensure the basic services of every household with a practically comprehensive telephone network. What was already achieved over 40 years ago should also be possible with today’s civil engineering methods (micro-trenching, earth rocket, etc.). I think in many places it works without civil engineering. Glass fibers can even be routed parallel to power lines without shielding. This means that FTTH should no longer be an issue in the next 10-20 years. Of course, the state would also have to provide incentives here instead of wasting its money uselessly. If we finally cleaned up the entire cronyism and corruption swamp in our administrations, we would already have the money together.
Not all positions were eliminated, but rather they were filled internally or some call centers were merged.
Want to see the call center support guy laying fiber optic cable. I think he can’t do that and he doesn’t want to.
And where to start - right in Switzerland, left in Switzerland or where. Even if I have 100,000 new employees, it will still take a long time and even the customer in the back row would come forward and complain.
I think if it were that simple, Swisscom would push the whole thing forward even more, because many of its competitors don’t come to Swisscom because of the small bandwidth. That would indirectly “become” a monopoly again and the outcry would be great.
It is what it is and compared to Germany or other countries, this is paradise.
True, the IMEI has not yet been implemented, but many skilled workers have left Switzerland and, despite all the love for the country, this problem is very precarious at the moment. I know some colleagues who have now left Switzerland again because there is a lot of rejection and there is also a lot of uncertainty about what the IMEI will bring. And these were IT-based specialists. And they didn’t lay fiber optic cables either. And whether you can take refugees - you could also retrain them, but the Swiss are also very “delicate” here at the moment. Unfortunately, it is always forgotten that guest workers in particular have achieved a lot in Switzerland.
In Zurich, the fiber optic network was partly activated free of charge by the city administration in order to give smaller providers a chance to offer their products. Swisscom wasn’t there at first - and can only offer its product if the customer explicitly doesn’t want anything else.
Shouldn’t the city have ordered fiber optics? Be glad that it was that way, regardless of who built it and who ultimately pays for it.
In many communities, the community is resisting fiber optics and giving other providers exclusivity. There is just my place of residence that relies on Quickline or other places that are completely in UPC hands. It’s not just the provider’s fault.
Swisscom has a majority shareholder who demands a stable dividend. Many other shareholders are also there not because of the upward price potential but because of the dividend. If Swisscom were to expand the network to a single point - then there would be a dividend for a few years. And that wouldn’t work. we still have full freedom of movement. I.e. you get the people if you want. If you need 10,000 fiber splicers and there are only 5,000 in Switzerland, you can fly the others in without any problems. We are still busy flying in foreign IT specialists. Whether they feel welcome is a completely different topic - but that applies with or without MEI and affects all countries, not just Switzerland.
Do you really think the expansion will take so long because there aren’t enough people? Companies also have to handle their money sensibly. Erlange was the expansion of the mobile phone network going? How long does the upgrade to 3G, 4G take? That’s the money that controls it, not the staff that you can’t find. An expansion to LTE-A, for example, is purely a software matter. But LTE-A costs the provider more, so for the first time you only switch it on where you can use the additional network capacity.
And - we have a city that wants to stop fiber optic expansion, you have to explain that to us. The city can decide not to support the expansion financially (why spend tax money to improve an infrastructure that belongs to a private company?), but if Swisscom owns the cables and cable channels, they can put in whatever they want. Municipalities are not obliged to look after others in their own construction work - you can call that obstruction if you want, but if a municipality were to block civil engineering for an FTTx, there are certainly higher courts that would overrule that.
It’s about the municipality not wanting to contact Swisscom - I don’t know what the processes are, but I know some who have approached the municipal council several times and the people asking the question even work for Swisscom. They explained to me that Swisscom cannot impose itself.
I’ll leave the matter of flying in open as I can’t and don’t want to have a say.
10000 Fiber Splicer Fly-in, ROFL. I don’t know any numbers, but maybe there are in Europe as a whole? Would they also want to work in Switzerland for a limited period of time? In any case, you then have to have the appropriate number of excavator operators (and excavators), planners, people who configure the whole thing on the backbone and whatever else is needed and the municipalities would have to increase the number of staff accordingly for the building permits and so on and so on… certain things would be huge Money will go faster, but not immediately and the subscription will then cost 500.- per month… If you are in a hurry, you can offer SC to lay glass to the headquarters at your own expense 🙂
Either way, splicing is not a specialist activity. This is done by ordinary civil engineering workers who otherwise switch telephone cables or GKN. Stripping, color vision, wiping the fiber, inserting into the fusion machine. Press the button and place it in the cassette.
No specialists are needed for this. This requires Tiebauer who want to do this job. Not part of the secret tip in the upper grades…
@oldiesbutgoldies: what you describe sounds exactly the opposite. What happens if the municipality asks Swisscom whether the expansion could be brought forward. The answer is a no if it doesn’t fit the concept, and a yes with a price tag if it would fit. But just because you asked nicely doesn’t mean Swisscom will provide you with fiber optics - it’s not a non-profit organization.
Whether I, as a citizen of a municipality, would like to pay Swisscom so that it can make its own lines faster and then sell me a more expensive subscription - I honestly wouldn’t be that keen. But in my opinion this is not a blocking of an expansion - Swisscom is still free to do the expansion on its own. They don’t share the subscription fees either.
IMHO, every community has to know how it wants to deal with the issue of broadband expansion. Municipalities that already have a network - I can well understand that they have little interest in paying for the expansion of the competition. And then there are communities that think broadband is a luxury and that basic services are enough. You just have to accept the consequences and look for another place to live if you can’t live with that.
@NotNormal: I would have to ask the ex-colleagues who went into this business. 10,000 was just a number that I threw out there. I don’t have any figures as to how much would be necessary per location. But the fact that the local construction company was involved in “my” fiber optic expansion was something that could be reliably determined by looking through the window (and that’s why I don’t have to pay anything… the line is there and an apartment without fiber optics is no longer an option for me in question).
Working for a limited time in a high-wage country - there are still many people who would appreciate that. I work in a team where every second person didn’t grow up in Switzerland, and some still commute to their families abroad on the weekend because they don’t want to take the children away from their familiar environment. It’s possible that this will change over time, but personally I wouldn’t mind going away for a while if I could earn a lot more.
@CapsLock wrote:
Until today I got 33/10 Mbit/s, from today only 31/6 Mbit/s.
Absolutely nothing has changed for me, should we expect that the Swisscom values will even continue to deteriorate for no reason?
Not yours - but maybe your neighbor’s…
This just happened to me: I had 33/10 speed for 2 years, suddenly from one day to the next it was only 25/5. The reason is that another customer in the same MFH has had VDSL switched off. Now in the cable bundle, where several VDSL connections are already running, there is another one that causes interference due to electrical crosstalk and the system (grooming) switches down the profile for safety reasons in order to avoid failures/interferences.
True to the motto: Better a stable, slower speed than fast with disruptions/dropouts.
The “funny” thing is that the checker now shows a higher possible speed than before:
-The speed crashed from 33/10 to 25/5
at the same time
-The checker now shows possible 50/15 and instead of the previous 44/10
….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Thank you @POGO 1104 for your answer.
I just asked the neighbor (a company) and your guess is correct, they switched from isdn to ip yesterday.
But I don’t find that funny at all.
The information download max and upload max is not customer friendly!!!
A minimum guaranteed speed should definitely be specified.
Therefore, all Swisscom information means nothing and remains a huge lottery as long as no Minimum guaranteed speed is clearly stated as information.
I’m not at all satisfied, and what about the expansion speed information for next year?
So again a max statement and the lottery continues nicely?
Minimum guaranteed speed ratings are a must.
As part of the statutory basic service mandate, Swisscom must provide every household in Switzerland with a minimum internet speed of 2000/200. This means that the minimum guaranteed speed is de facto stated…
[https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/internet- Fernsehen-festnetz/abos/grundbedarf.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/internet- Fernsehen-festnetz/abos/ basic care.html)
….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Me neither, but now it has happened to me too - and you can be sure, we are not the only ones… with the current AllIP changes this will happen quite often…
But I assume that the large group of 0815 customers (>90%) won’t even notice such a change…. (They wouldn’t notice an increase in speed either 😉 )
….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Yes, you’re right @POGO 1104:smileywink:
But it hit me like a blow because I’m also impatiently waiting for the expansion next year in August with 100/20 Mbit/s and now I have to find out that this information will just be another lottery against the bottom and I’ll have this 100/20 ** NEVER** will receive.
I’ll have to see what other options are on the market, maybe an unlimited data subscription with 4G from Salt with Zattoo or back to the largest cable operator as before.
