Hello
Without polemics or irony.
Init7 has always been the favourite ISP choice for nerds.
Currently (25th anniversary celebration) they have an offer for consumers with the product Cooper7 which offers a good product at a favourable price.
Pro / Con arguments? Who is in this target group and would like to give their arguments as to why they use the Swisscom product?
Thank you!
Greetings to the Tn
@qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk Is that surreptitious advertising đ€
If you want to use your own equipment without a provider router in front of it or something, Init7 is the best because it is the only ISP that really officially supports it, a customer of mine has the 25 Gig fibre optic offer, simply get a QSFP+ directly into the MikroTik and it runs (whether you need 25 Gig or somehow 15 Gig that the MiktoTik LAN-WAN can route is questionable, he already has several 10 Gigabit clients but from the load of the MikroTik this is never even close to being used).
Otherwise I donât see the advantage over Wingo or anything like that, I get away with my Wingo copper connection more cheaply than with the Init7 offer and I also have our TV and landline directly with Wingo (of course there are free providers like Phonestar but directly via the Wingo router is easier for me and with TV you would also have to find a box yourself with Teleboy or Zattoo and one more provider).
Hello qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk
Thank you for your message. Please note that you are in a Swisscom Community. Here our users can ask questions related to our Swisscom products. Our moderators are ready to help our users with their concerns.
Best regards, CorinP.
Hello NilsL
No, no advertising. I do not work for Init7 or on their behalf. After Swisscom abolished the smallest DSL subscription last year, many people are keeping their eyes open for an alternative. Older people and people who are not IT-savvy in particular are not happy with Wingo and comparable providers.
The customer service from M-Budget, Swisscom and Init7 is what they want.
Init7 offers me âSwitzerland-wideâ
Copper cable (VDSL/FTTS)
Performance: according to technical availability
Incl. TV7
CHF 64.75/mth with annual invoice (CHF 777.-/year)
No setup fee!
Swisscom - the smallest subscription Blue Internet 7 offers me the following
Internet speedUp to 100 Mbit/s downloadUp to 100 Mbit/s upload
WLAN routerInternet box for free (value 199.-)Strong Wi-Fi 6 for more than 1 Gbit/s
Protection & SecurityFree warning of dangerous websites
Subscription details
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The first 12 months for 59.90/mth.
As you know, many users do not yet have an OTO socket in their house/apartment. Now, with Cooper7, there is a product that is at least on a par with the Swisscom offer in every respect. This raises the question for me as a consumer: why not switch? This means weighing up the costs and benefits.
When I read these polemical hostilities above, I ask myself twice whether I want to be a customer in a sect / ideological organisationâŠ
Greetings
Does Init7 apparently need such spam? Sad!
What does init7 have to do with this post? Of course itâs off-topic, but I find this reaction exaggerated.
There should even be users here who use both ISPs đ. And the IB doesnât start to burn when itâs next to an Init7 router đ.
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Certainly a very good choice for pure organic internet - but I see the big deal in plugging in a Wingo or Swisscombox with a TV box rather than setting up an Apple TV with the TV7 app or multicasting the stream into any IPTV apps.
In addition, Init7 doesnât offer telephony, so the Gröseli would have to set up SIP and DECT if it wants a landline (and thatâs what Gröselis are into).
The Swisscom Internetbooster is also interesting for me on one of the many âHögerâ, which canât manage 100 Mbit/s via copper - as far as I know, itâs currently one of the only ways to increase speed via mobile communications with bonding (at least the v4 TCP) without running into the fair use clause with the mobile provider.
LG
r00t
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From experience I can say that in the case of DSL problems, the quickest way to rectify any faults is to contact Swisscom or Wingo directly. I have also had problems with a Wingo customer, I had to contact Wingo first but within about 2 hours I received a call from Cablex to make an appointment
I donât know what other support requests there could be with pure Internet except those that have to be resolved by Swisscom in the end anyway because they are on the copper line
And for â0815 usersâ, as @r00t says, Init7 is no longer an issue anyway because of the lack of telephony and difficult TV solution
I have nothing against Init7, on the contrary, competition is always good in any market, but I donât quite understand what youâre hoping for here on the Swisscom forum
People for whom Init7 is an option have already optimised the maximum from their internet subscriptions and people who are currently with Swisscom hardly switch to Init7 for price reasons, much more to Wingo/Mbudget or if fibre is available the Salt offer is also pretty good
Copper7 is not a new Init7 product, it has been around for a very long time and is technically a BBCS product from Swisscom, which Init7 leases from Swisscom for the copper connection.
The disadvantages are:
- the lack of landline telephony service, which you have to rent additionally via an external SIP provider for every Init7 Internet subscription if required
- no option for a TV subscription with a classic remote control with channel numbers and numbered TV channels
In my opinion, the Init7 subscriptions are only really interesting in combination with a fibre optic connection, but as long as you are still on copper, the subscriptions from Wingo, M-Budget, Teleboy and iWay still offer the better services as an overall package.
When looking for a copper alternative to a blue subscription, I would therefore not choose a Copper7, but if no landline flat rate is required but landline availability is still desired, I would rather choose Wingo, but with a landline flat rate I would rather choose M-Budget, Teleboy or iWay.
In principle, of course, all providers will work, the differences between the individual subscriptions can also be researched on the Internet and ultimately, which is really good, we no longer have a monopoly on providers and every customer can really decide for themselves what exactly is the best solution for them.
Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche AbhÀngigkeiten zur Swisscom
qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk Older people in particular, or those who are not IT-savvy, may not be happy with Wingo and comparable providers.
What a load of rubbish!
Once again, older people are being misused as dummies. I know many young people who have little idea and hardly understand any instructions because they have hardly learnt to read and understand properly.
Older people today are much more IT-savvy than many younger Generation Z people. These older people use online banking, online timetables, electronic tickets with SBB Easy-Ride or above all with Fairtiqe and have long since stopped needing ticket machines and ticket counters.
This discrimination against older people really bothers me, as I experience the opposite every day. Incidentally, I will be 77 years old this year, according to the motto âlife only begins at 77â, loosely based on Udo JĂŒrgens.
Itâs no use, I see the authorâs contribution as surreptitious advertising, which never belongs in a forum like this.
The fact is that after deducting the family and combination discount, I pay 89.80 /mt. for Blue Internet L, Blue TC L, Blue telephony). With Blue Internet M it would be 79.80.
For this favourable price I have 99.99999 trouble-free, fast Internet, brilliant TV and an excellent fixed-line telephone network. If you have all subscriptions with Swisscom, including my wifeâs mobile phone, you benefit from a CHF 50.00 discount every month.
qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk Now Cooper7 is a product that is at least on a par with the Swisscom offer in every respect.
Whoever believes is blessed!
qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk When I read these polemical hostilities above, I ask myself twice whether I want to be a customer of a sect / ideological organisationâŠ
I suspect that you have no idea about cults. You can get into cults quickly but hardly ever get out. From this point of view, Sunrise and Salt would be âsuper cultsâ. With Swisscom, I have the advantage of being able to cancel within a short time after many years (not just by phone or e-mail) if the quality deteriorates. For me, the only thing that counts is quality and a price that corresponds to the quality. The price-performance ratio at Swisscom is excellent. I donât want to settle for anything less - and if it were even free, it would be exactly the same.
gian I can only agree with that!
IT affinity is not at all about age but primarily about interest
Unfortunately, there are many people who donât want to know about it or even refuse to do so. These are usually the employees of my corporate customers who generate the most support requests and are the most troublesome because they are not prepared to help in any way with solving the problem (clicking away error messages, not wanting to go through simple troubleshooting steps with me, if it is user-error (which it usually is) not wanting to know how they can prevent the problem in the future etc.).
Fortunately a minority but still very tedious
r00t What does init7 have to do with this post? Of course itâs off-topic, but I find this reaction exaggerated.
There are even supposed to be users here who use both ISPs đ. And the IB doesnât start to burn when itâs next to an Init7 router đ.
Perhaps my reaction may indeed seem exaggerated, but I didnât attack anyone personally. The user with the many numbers and letters in his name who means nothing and has only been registered here in the community for a few hours and writes such texts is simply advertising and nothing else. Yes, that can be brilliant marketing. But⊠I just think itâs a shame that the Swisscom forum, which is primarily about questions, concerns and problems with Swisscom products, is being misused here for pure advertising. Of course you can also discuss OT about other providers and their offers, which is also done here and I definitely think thatâs a good thing. But I canât really understand what the user is trying to achieve with this post. I donât find Copper7 with a copper connection at all attractive in terms of price, with many other disadvantages. If youâre looking to save money or simply want to save money, Wingo and the like are clearly cheaper.
Samsi I also reported it for surreptitious advertising @CorinP has admonished @qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk for it.
qxwlbn6ksfjzp6ohygtr6aceiuk This user has registered for this post and is using dodgy credentials.
Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access
Contra Swisscom is that their cheapest Internet S is not at all attractive in terms of price.
Pro Swisscom are their loss-leader offers, for example CHF 39 per month, but only for fibre customers.
However, this is more of a discrimination against other customers.
Their routers are also in favour of Swisscom, although they are expensive.
