@kaetho wrote:
@RotscherMur wrote:
… then you should tell Swisscom this if you would continue to leave the function on the IB4…
This NAS function is not available on the IB4?
Exactly :-), it should be back on and I could turn off IB2…
As if I knew it. Without knowing that the function was ending, I started researching a NAS today. Swisscom has not yet actively informed me about this deterioration, which is essential for me.
For several years I have been using the Central Storage application to centrally access all data in my household using different PCs, smartphones and TVs. I first used a USB 3 hard drive and since November 2020 a USB 3 Samsung T5 1 TB SSD on the Internet Box 3.
The performance is satisfactory, nothing more. Opening an Office file sometimes happens immediately, but it can also take five seconds. As a reward for my patience, I have so far had an easy-to-manage solution with no maintenance effort and only had to invest a little.
Is it realistic for an advanced PC user of retirement age to still have to worry about the extensive functionality of a NAS?
Will it be manageable if I concentrate on the network storage function?
My favorite: Synology 220+, 2× 2 TB WD Red Plus (CMR) preinstalled, Raid 1, hot swappable.
Is the 2 GB DDR4 RAM sufficient for my average requirements? Upgrading is possible.
How does the data speed compare (access to the network via WLAN 6)?
1) PREVIOUSLY: SSD on USB 3 of the Internet Box 3?
2) SUCCESSION: Synology 220+ to Gbit-Anschluss of the Internet Box 3?
I would like to thank you for your input today.
It’s never too late for a NAS and you’re never too old for one, especially if, as you say, you have good PC skills.
For an advanced PC user, it remains manageable if you optionally use additional features such as VPN servers.
A NAS does not belong on the WLAN but definitely on the LAN (the DS220+ also has no WLAN).
The speed should be 3-4 times faster. However, you have to be careful with Syno’s speed specifications, because you can only achieve 220 MB/s if you operate the two gigabit interfaces in a LAG, and this requires special network switches.
Remark:
The high energy consumption of a NAS should not be neglected; with 2 hard drives the box should be in the 30 - 40 watt range. Therefore, as an alternative, you should consider a cloud solution and a simple network or USB storage that you connect only for backups.
The noise of the fans and hard drives must also be taken into account.
If you look at the performance data of the DS220+ (50 users at the same time, 40 VPN connections at the same time,…) I consider it to be oversized for private use.
@RotscherMur wrote:
Ps: IB2 10.1 watts vs Synology DS 220 14.8 watts - calls itself “one of the most energy-efficient NAS” 🙄
The DS 220 has 15 watts without the hard drives. With two hard drives it is 30 - 40 watts.
@RotscherMur wrote:
@kaetho wrote:
@RotscherMur wrote:
… then you should tell Swisscom this if you would continue to leave the function on the IB4…
This NAS function is not available on the IB4?
Exactly :-), it should be on again and I could turn off IB2…
Back on it? It was never on the IB4.
That’s not really comparable.
https://www.synology.com/en-uk/products/DS120j#specs
Synology DS120J, less than 5W in standby.
… in standby 😉
… I’m talking about normal operation for a mini Nas, which is (could be) still offered on an IB
… but of course, these watts and the device could also be saved in my suggestion for continuation (for many users with little demand for a real NAS).
… one device instead of many additional connected new purchases
I can certainly understand the anger that is now coming to light.
Optimization (saving) will probably be the deciding factor for Swisscom.
Which I can definitely understand.
Unfortunately, I can’t really have a say because I’ve been running “a power-guzzling NAS” for years.
Or rather, after almost 3700 days, I did something new that is now more energy efficient when not in use 😉
#user63
By access via WiFi I meant the following:
Synology NAS via LAN cable to Internet Box 3 (fiber optic connection in the living room).
Mobile devices in the living room access the NAS via Wi-Fi 6 / Internet Box 3 / LAN cable.
The desktop PC in the office is connected via a LAN cable to a WLAN Box 2 which is connected via Wi-Fi 6 to the Internet Box 3 in the living room. And then continue to the NAS via LAN cable. Maybe I’ll buy the new WLAN Box 3 (Wi-Fi 6E).
I also had the idea of “oversized” and ended up with the inexpensive entry-level solution DS120j (only 1 hard drive). With only 0.5 GB of RAM, this NAS would probably be in the performance range of today’s “central storage” solution. Maybe the slightly older DS218 is suitable.
The fan noise could also be problematic in the living area.
I don’t think a pure cloud solution is suitable because of the many huge files (family videos) and the dependency on the Internet.
Whenever possible, the WB should be connected to the IB via Gigabit Ethernet (use as an AP); a connection via WLAN (repeater mode) is suboptimal.
Only devices that can also use WiFi 6E benefit from WiFi6E. And even then you will only notice the difference to WiFi6 or WiFi5 with the speedometer, but not in practice.
The DS 120 is no less powerful for the “family business” than the DS 220. The biggest difference is that it only has 1 disk. Despite the raid, even with a DS 220, you have to keep at least one additional backup outside the house or in a protected safe, because the 2 disks are of no use in the event of a fire or theft.
I think you can’t go wrong with Synology’s 220+.
Recognized technology, moderate power consumption (google ds220+ power consumption), common and often used (important if you have questions) and generally reliable.
I see no problem with your described requirements and the device. Connected directly to the network connection of the IB, it also works.
Because of oversize: possible today, yes. But keep in mind that such a device can easily be in operation for 10 years or longer (the oldest Synology’s that I have used and are still running today have been in use since 2006).
The option to upgrade is also ok, but I guess you’ll get along quite well with the device out of the box, you won’t miss anything.
What do Syncthing solutions actually look like?
SemperVideo is apparently starting a series: (34) Cloud Yourself - YouTube
Does @hed or @kaetho have experience with this?
However, it would be questionable whether this can also be implemented for the average consumer - but a NAS as a device is obsolete or no longer necessary.
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Dominik
It would be ideal to further discuss the same topic in just one thread and describe solutions:
[https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Heimvernetzung/Abstellung-NAS-funktion-per-1-3-2023/td-p/738419](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Heimvernetzung/ Deactivation-NAS-function-as-of-1-3-2023/td-p/738419)
Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access
The fact is, the NAS function is coming out, unfortunately neither sliding around on your knees nor threatening with halberds helps. The order comes from above and is implemented as communicated (the same applies to the home app). And in the event of legal action, Swisscom will point out that this is a security vulnerability that currently poses a threat and cannot be solved. For security reasons, the feature that <1% of users use is being removed. And yes, the IB becomes leaner and more agile due to the lower load.
The bottom line is that saving in the cloud is the cheapest solution for private users. The server farm already exists, the waste heat is used for heating, you don’t have to buy, set up or maintain anything for your home and with the myCloud app it’s very easy to use. In rural areas, I am aware that it naturally takes much longer to open or download a file over a slow DSL line. That’s why I use simple NAS that serve the purpose and go into stby mode when not in use. You can also put it into sleep mode at a timer. So I have the convenient solution that I personally want and I use the myCloud to save my relevant data in another location. It can sometimes take 1 second longer to open.
Roger G.
Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access