Standby after power supply

@maecke

No, unfortunately there are no changes, but the problem is solved with a second power strip just for the TV-Box.

@maecke But I’m glad that I’m not the only one with this concern.

@hed Your solution may be one, but let’s assume that all devices behave like the Swisscom TV box, even you don’t want to have that many switches or power strips.

The normal case, if someone doesn’t want standby, is to switch off the TV, TV, box, Blueray/CD player, amplifier or surround system, etc. using a single power strip.

Therefore, add the menu item: “Switch to standby on/off when starting up the TV-Box”, perhaps switching to energy saving mode on the IP1800 would make even more sense.

In terms of software, this should be child’s play.

@roku73

Luckily, my sound system and the CD player still have mains-isolating switches, and the TV and TV-Box are connected to a power strip. I don’t see going to the counter as a burden but as a welcome exercise.

But of course, I would also welcome it if the start state of the TV-Box can be set in a future release.

@maecke if I count it like this I get well over 10 devices, roughly even 13 devices…

I share the concern and have now found a practical solution: I use a ‘myStrom WiFi Switch’ (also available in the Swisscom shop), which is set so that it disconnects my home theater from the network, even if the Swisscom Box 21 is still switched on. By the way, I also have other devices that behave similarly, e.g. Apple TV 4K, which also doesn’t remember the last standby state before switching off. With myStrom I first tried out how much power the devices that remained switched on consume after switching on the power supply and set the threshold for automatic switching off with the ‘myStrom WiFi Switch’ slightly higher. Now the power supply switches off automatically after a short time as soon as no other device is switched on. My settings of myStrom WiFi Switch are: ‘Power Savers -> Standby-Killer’: On and ‘Power Savers -> Consumption in Standby [W]’: 35. After approx. 4′40″ the ‘myStrom WiFi Switch disconnects ’ My system is disconnected from the network if no other device is switched on during this time.

Of course, it would be an advantage if devices like the Swisscom Box 21 remembered the last state, e.g. standby, and would return to this same state when disconnected and reconnected from the power supply. My Sony television, which is more than 10 years old, does this perfectly. But with this ‘myStrom WiFi Switch’ solution it now works and in my opinion is very satisfactory. I can only recommend it, although two devices are not in standby mode after switching on the power.

By the way, I also use a Logitech Harmony Elite remote control (with hub) which works perfectly if all the settings on the devices are made correctly, e.g. on the Swisscom Box 21 the ‘Standby mode’ is not set to ‘Energy saving mode’, but to The recommended ‘Sleep mode’ is set, otherwise the TV box cannot be woken up via the IR receiver. Thanks to the ‘myStrom WiFi Switch’ solution, I can save far more energy overall. The solution with the Logitech Harmony Elite also allows me to put it into standby with a simple activity ‘All to Standby after power up’ with two clicks (activity on and off). Not perfect, but definitely doable.

With the whole myStrom story, you shouldn’t forget that these things themselves also need energy. The maximum savings effect can only be achieved with switchable power strips.

The MyStrom consumes between 0.9-1.0 watts in standby.

@WalterB

Firstly, I measured 1.6 - 1.9 watts with the Fluke and even with “only” 1 watt, that’s a total of 1 megawatt with just one myStrom switch per household. As is well known, small animals also make a lot of crap.

Depending on the device where you want to save energy with a myStrom switch, it is a zero-sum game or even counterproductive.

Switchable power strips also make a small contribution to the widespread lack of exercise 🙂

I consider the MyStrom Switch to be a very good compromise between convenience (you only have to be active to switch it on - in contrast to the switchable power strip) and energy savings (0.9 watts of self-consumption compared to 10-20 watts saved by a group of devices in standby)

In addition to other great options that the MyStrom Switch offers.

But to each as he pleases…

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@Andreas F wrote:

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By the way, I also use a Logitech Harmony Elite remote control (with hub) which works perfectly…

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Hi Andreas,

Do you always leave the Logitech hub connected to the power supply or do you disconnect the power supply there too?

Yes, at the moment the hub is still permanently connected to the network. But maybe there’s something else that can be done, depending on whether I manage to turn on the myStrom WiFi Switch with Harmony. I have started an inquiry about this at myStrom because I still have hopes that there might be a trick to switching on the myStrom WiFi Switch using Harmony Home Control. If that definitely turns out to be impossible, I will check whether the Harmony Hub’s power supply could also be located behind the myStrom WiFi Switch.

According to information from Logi, the Harmony Hub has 1.1 watts in standby. According to the manufacturer’s information, an upstream myStrom switch has 0.9 watts (I measured 1.6 - 1.9 watts). In this case, using a myStrom switch is a zero-sum game or even counterproductive.

I completely agree with that. I’m usually a rather disciplined person, but I have to admit that I always forget to turn off my switchable power strips. Thanks to the myStrom Wifi Switch, I also found out how much electricity my devices, e.g. my home theater, use in full standby. That’s around almost 30W, which surprised me. Because the device description according to the manufacturer led me to expect much lower values ​​than those now measured. So I have to admit that, despite having a switchable power strip, I have wasted electricity for many years in a Betrag that almost frightened me a bit. Since the ratio between my current, let’s say conservatively 1W, and my home theater, measured at almost 30W, is 1 to 30, I think this compromise is definitely worth it. Because as I said, although switching off completely is of course the best solution in terms of saving electricity, I can’t do that in a really disciplined manner by always switching off all the power strips. Sure, moving to do this isn’t unhealthy, but actually doing it is the point. Thanks to myStrom WiFi Swtich, I think all in all it has contributed something, at least in my case. “Go ahead and eat the muesli, and it’s a mess, a mess!” my grandmother used to say in such cases. And he wasn’t wrong. 😉

@maecke I don’t have any of these problems. I solved it with KNX (the installation with the green cable). Actuator with current measurement and smart glass button II from MDT. After 5 minutes of standby, automatically switches off the socket where TV + TV-Box are plugged in. To switch on, simply switch the switch (touch) on the glass button or via the Visu app.

It is also clear to me that KNX is in a completely different league than the myStrom switches.

OK. Thanks for the measured values ​​of the myStrom WiFi Switch. But a hub is never just about the hub, but all the other devices that are controlled with the hub. For me this ratio is 1:30 if I assume 1 W for the myStrom WiFi Switch, or then 1:15 if I conservatively assume 2 W according to the 1.6-1.9 W measured according to hed. That’s still a significant gain and worth it in my opinion.

This idea that it can even be counterproductive is definitely true in other cases. For example, purely out of curiosity, I took measurements on my chargers for rechargeable batteries. After charging, the power consumption for maintaining charge with almost 16 batteries is only 2.4 W. Using a myStrom WiFi switch when it requires 1.6-1.9 W would be just a waste and is in fact counterproductive.

I also admit to being a fan of the myStrom Switch, because simply making the power consumption of individual devices “visible” leads to behavioral changes for most users.

I recently even bought a third one, which I’m currently only using for additional consumption measurements until further notice.

Where it really makes sense, I also use switchable power strips (e.g. at my desk with around 12 occupied sockets)

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@Andreas F wrote:

Yes, at the moment the hub is still permanently connected to the network…

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OK, thanks. Then “my” planned path fits quite well: everything, except the Harmony horn (and the network switch, which is powered via PoE anyway) on a switchable power strip that allows each slot to be switched individually and also a “ Master switch”. If necessary, I can switch things on by hand (BluRay player, subwoofer, popcorn player, etc.). I don’t want to add a WiFi switch in between, although I still find your solution to prevent forgetting to turn it off interesting.

The only problem at the moment: these power strips are huge and ugly. It has to go in my house and not on the sideboard.