@Werner

Yes, I’m already waiting for it…

So that I have something real to write again, as you well noticed😉😉😉

What are the few most important use cases for 10G in private households, apart from speed tests?

Besides the work… currently the boredom….

I’ve had 50/50 with glass for over a year and it was enough.

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@PowerMac wrote:

What are the few most important use cases for 10G in private households, apart from speed tests?

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An interesting question.

I don’t have a use case myself yet, especially not for a client application, but I could imagine that if I had 2 households with 10 Gig Anschluss, I would mirror my private servers directly with each other in real time…

Just like data centers do…

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@PowerMac wrote:

What are the few most important use cases for 10G in private households, apart from speed tests?

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None yet, I also know large companies with several hundred office workstations and data-intensive applications that can work very well with “only” 1 gig. But 10 gigs are “useful” for your ego and bragging rights among colleagues.

I’m actually only using the 10Gig subscription from Swisscom for now because it’s a promotion. When it’s over, I’ll probably downgrade again because the regular L subscription is probably way too expensive.

However, 10gig is great for backing up data. Me in Eastern Switzerland, my uncle in Basel and my brother in Zurich. The Nas/Servers can be secured by everyone so that if the hut burns down, everything will still be there.

Although this is probably not the most valuable data the world has ever seen, but why not 🙂

@hammond

What is the exact reason that you used the Zyxel instead of the Internet-Box 3?

@hammond

Yes, that is known, but you write that 1Gbit/s would also be sufficient and you can then connect 4×1Gbit/s and 1×2.5Gbit/s, do you already have a 10Gbit/s installation on site?

Ok, if you need it then everything is clear, so far I haven’t had to set a performance higher than 1Gbit/s per cable harness for small SMEs and clubs, and the existing switches, computers and NAS couldn’t handle speeds above 1Gbit/s.

@WalterB

Even with large corporations, I have never installed 10 Gig in the LAN access area. In the core, distribution level and in the backbone there are 10 gigs respectively. n x 10 Gig, however, has been common practice for many years.

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@Werner wrote:

[…] if I had 2 households with 10 Gig Anschluss, I would mirror my private servers directly with each other in real time…

Just like data centers do…

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Yes, that would certainly be an interesting application. Data centers have been able to do this for years with 1Gbit links, sometimes even deliberately throttled down to even less so as not to saturate the link.

Hello everyone

I’m one of the “lucky ones” who already has a complete 10G network for my home office - and hobby.

In a few days I should have XGS-PON switched on so that there are no problems with the house cabling.

Am I looking forward to “up to 10G”? Yes, because in addition to work (and cloud backup), the “home lab” hobby benefits.

But what am I looking forward to more? A ping of 4ms plus/minus. Over the past few years, I have repeatedly noticed that a “perceived” faster image structure is always associated with very low ms values.

What else needs to be considered? A good firewall at 10G requires real power. I’m currently building a pfsense (open source http://t.ly/sVxx)MachineMachine) for teaching purposes using an old AMD Atom Supermicro. The fun ends with a throughput well below 1Gbit/s. Admittedly, I certainly don’t have a good/optimal grasp of pfsense yet.

Things only get really interesting with the xenon model E302-9D, which was tested on anantech and can handle 4 to 6 G without any problems ([http://t.ly/sDwH](http://t .ly/sDwH)). In addition, this model is fanless, making it ideal for silent home office use. Luckily not available at the moment, I have to buy a Zyxel AX7501 with XGSPON SFP+ for use as a bridge with a 10T base Anschluss.

Stay safe, stay healthy!

@Smallpot I hope you got a different router than the IB3, otherwise you won’t get very far with 10Gbit/s.

respectively 7 GBit/s.

The IB3 can only do 2.5 Gbit/s. You will be amazed at how little throughput the Internet provides. You can also achieve ping times of 4ms with FTTH 1Gbit/s.

@Smallpot

Have fun and success with your project! 🙂

AX7501 as a bridge with custom firewall (OPNsense) has been running “perfectly” for me for some time now.

(Unfortunately, I have to admit that the fixed IP is still only 1 Gbps).

If possible without going beyond the scope of the discussion:

From personal experience, I would advise against the device you choose for your purpose.

Take a closer look at page #9 of the report:

[https://www.anandtech.com/show/15906/supermicro-superserver-e3029d-review-a-fanless-10g-pfsense-powerhouse/9](https://www.anandtech.com/show/15906/ supermicro-superserver-e3029d-review-a-fanless-10g-pfsense-powerhouse/9)

I have a comparable, passively cooled 1Gbps version from Supermicro:

[https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/Box\_PC/SYS-E100-9S-L.cfm](https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/Box_PC/ SYS-E100-9S-L.cfm)

In my opinion, the cooling is inadequate, especially if you really want to get some performance.
This means: The service life of the hardware suffers as a result, the CPU throttles performance, as do other components (e.g. SSD).

Another thing to keep in mind is that the casing gets really warm to hot, so touching it is no longer necessary at times.

Greeting

P.S. As already noted by user109: In terms of latency, you definitely have no advantage with XGS-PON compared to 1 GBps FTTH. Apart from that, the further lines, prioritizations, workloads, transitions,… up to your final destination definitely have a much greater influence on the latency.

Hello everyone

Regarding latency: I am not currently on fiber optic, but still with UPC Business 1G as the main provider. There 12-16ms is the rule, along with a generally not very reliable service. As a backup I have Swisscom 100/30, where the latency is 10ms.

About the project: Yes, about the heat. I currently have three fans (bottom, top, back) to swirl and direct the exhaust air away. Without devices, but with the fans, I’m currently measuring around 37 to 39db, i.e. in the whisper range. Hopefully that and plenty of space for the Supermicro will help, otherwise I’ll throttle the system to a responsible operating temperature.

I’m happy to hear that Swisscom-Zyxel works as a bride-private firewall. So if it doesn’t work for me on the first try, then I know that the dog is buried with me and not with the provider!

So I now use the following in my “home lab”:

• Fractal Define C (Midi Tower, Quiet & Soundproof)

• ASRock X570 Pro4 board

• AMD Ryzen 7 3700X with stock cooler

• 2 × 32 GB SAMSUNG M391A4G43MB1-CTD Unbuffered ECC (the only thing supported by the 3700X)

• 2 x Corsair 1TB Force MP600 in ZFS RAID1

• Asus

• Hypervisor: Proxmox VE

• Networking: everything about OVS / Open vSwitch Bridges.

• Main Uplink: UPC Business 1 Gbit/s (fiber optic not available, similar experience as @Smallpot regarding reliability i.e. at least 30 minutes down per year. Fiber optic would be very welcome. G.fast Gebastel would also be available, but currently no alternative because of the UPC contract.)

• Secondary Uplink: Salt 4G via Netgear M1.

• Firewall: pfSense in a VM. Trunk splitting takes place on the OVS or via Proxmox and not in the VM. The VM receives its own virtual interface for each subnet.

• Other projects on it: K8s Cluster with Rancher with 3 nodes, Unifi Controller as LXC, Windows 10 VM, Hass.io.

I achieve stable iperf3 measurements of 9.7 Gb/s in the same subnetwork at layer 2 between my workstation and an Ubuntu VM in Proxmox, without any PCIe passthrough or other tinkering, but purely via the Proxmox “native” OVS bridges. From VM to VM it is even 25 Gbit/s over the same OVS bridge.

In routing operation between two subnets or Layer 3 via pfSense I achieve around 4.8 Gbit/s. I haven’t optimized anything here yet. Pure stock installation according to the netgate manual.

And yes: The home lab should be in a separate room in accordance with WAF. Although it produces little noise, it does produce waste heat. The Minergie ventilation with WRG but good electric heating in winter.

Hello everyone

I’m selling my Zyxel AX7501 (with XGSPON SFP+), send me a PM if you’re interested.

Before summer, Swisscom will probably not change much in the SME sector (by which I mean with fixed IP -> PPPoE) and more than 1Gbps will not be activated. Very annoying, but a degenerate discussion about it would certainly not be productive.

@millernet

Exciting setting, sounds like a top price/performance combination for a home lab!
We have also recently been using an ASRock

Instead of aQuantia, we use Intel NICs because I haven’t had the best experiences with aQuantia (the copper version “ASUS XG-C100C”) in desktop operation. However, nice to hear that things are going so well for you!

The main reason for this step in our case was to (finally) have a flexible, “expandable and convertible” system. SBCs and passively cooled solutions rarely offer this level of performance and flexibility (or/and you are quickly faced with extremely high prices).

If not “quite” as much power is required, I still like to use the APU2 platform, top reliable SBCs.