Roger G

Jahahahaha, does it make a difference?

Haha, I actually wanted to write the same thing. Swisscom itself calls the network fiber optic, although this is not true. So the topic fits.

@Roger G

Thank you for clarifying that the “G.fast” connection type is not a fiber optic connection.

This is actually very often confused:

By the way, not only with customers, but also with Swisscom marketing in an attempt to promote its image, which has zeroed in on the term “fiber optic technologies”.

“Copper technologies” or “KAK-Anschluss” (short copper connection) would of course be much less likely to be confused, but it doesn’t sound nearly as sexy…

The thing about G.fast is already known, the discussion was also about why there were different advanced installations from different providers in some places.

[https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/internet- Fernsehen-festnetz/internet/glasfarben.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/internet- Fernsehen-festnetz/internet/ fiberglass.html)

I can help or explain questions about G.fast, expansion, technology, routers, future, etc. or even analyze problems… but not via FTTH, for example somewhere in Baden or Dättwil. That’s why it doesn’t fit here.

@Roger G

Ok, maybe you can answer my question then. Going towards the future 🙂

I switched to you a little over half a year ago after my location was expanded, unfortunately only g.Fast (but FTTB is built, the installer even showed it to me at the time, and no, it’s definitely not just FTTS like I always have one If you want to tell us about your hotine, please train your staff better). I made a lot of clarifications in advance. Especially when it comes to a proper fiber optic connection, or the possibility of financing the whole thing yourself, etc. but you were just blocked. After X attempts, I finally got a good technician on the phone who explained to me that this wasn’t yet possible and that they were already testing new technology at various locations in order to offer it later so that I could then get an FTTH individually.

Two weeks ago I tried to ask you again what it was like, but so far everyone I’ve had no idea or they’ve been referred to Checker (Wow, what a customer service).

Can you tell me more about this new technology? I actually don’t feel like moving, but if it’s going to take years for something to happen, then it needs to be seriously looked into.

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@Thomy22 wrote:

@Roger G

…..or the possibility of financing the whole thing yourself etc. but you were just blocked. After X attempts, I finally got a good technician on the phone who then explained to me that this wasn’t yet possible and that they were already testing new technology at various locations in order to offer it later so that I could then get an FTTH individually** .

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Can you tell me more about this new technology? I actually don’t feel like moving, but if it’s going to take years for something to happen, then it needs to be seriously looked into.

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I like to get attached to that too. My investigations have shown exactly the same thing: financing FTTH yourself is not possible because a completely different technology is used for FTTS/FTTB than for FTTH. Of course, with FTTH I have a fiber optic connection to the headquarters, with FTTS I share a grass fiber with all the other copper connections that go from the FTTS-Anschluss to the households.

What does it look like today? Can this be understood to mean that, at the customer’s request, the last few meters of copper are individually replaced with glass? Are symmetrical profiles up to 1GBit/s (or even 10GBit/s?) possible? Do the 48 or 16 customers who are connected to such a distributor share a fiber optic cable from there to the headquarters?

Greetings, Thomas

@kaetho

Yes, that’s exactly how I understood it as described by the technician at the time. Fiber optics are simply pulled into the apartment and then the Anschluss is simply shared. Actually, like Salt already does, as you have read. It’s still not the best FTTH experience (according to colleague Künzler) but at least you would have a lot more speed than now. You would especially notice this during the upload and that is more important to me than the download anyway.

@Thomy22

The question then arises as to what speed the mcans are then connected to the control center. That would then be a “shared medium”, just a little earlier than at the headquarters.

@Roger G can certainly provide more information. I’m curious.

Thomas

Regarding the future development of FTTS/FTTB at Swisscom, here is a link to an article with background and source material:

https://www.inside-it.ch/articles/49939

Argh, off topic again 😞

Anyways, individual FTTH is actually not possible, so asking questions doesn’t help. We tried this at the beginning of FTTH, but it was too expensive -> then no one wants to pay.

PON is being piloted, but it is still unclear which models and use cases there will be. With FTTB it is of course an option instead of an mCAN, as glass is dragged into the basement anyway. But to do this, the control center must first be equipped with point-to-multipoint. And from there, different variants are possible.

And yes, the fibers to the mCAN or PUS are already a shared medium. However, PON does not require an active element (just an optical splitter). Unfortunately, there are still in-house costs for glass in the riser zone and OTO. I’m curious to see how quickly and at what cost the new technology will come.

Best regards

The crux of all these FTTS/FTTB developments is always the relatively expensive decentralized active network elements (mCAN) that are required (unlike FTTH).

Once installed, they first have to be amortized over the years.

Anyone who was connected about 1 year ago may think they were unlucky because they missed g.Fast, but those who are currently connected will have been unlucky in 2-3 years because they missed PON, etc. etc.

I haven’t read anything concrete yet about Swisscom’s planned amortization period for the mCANs already installed, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it were 6-10 years.

The joy of being newly “ge-mCAN-t” with your Anschluss and thus being able to achieve higher speeds is certainly present in the short term, but probably not long-lasting due to the long-standing technology fixation of the respective mCAN.

There will probably be a few more steps set in the next 2-3 years.

Sunrise, for example, no longer wants copper.

[https://www.golem.de/news/sunrise-wir- Werden-adsl-und-vdsl-zeugs-mit-5g-erstellen-1811-137821.html](https://www.golem.de/ news/sunrise-we-will-replace-adsl-and-vdsl-zeugs-with-5g-1811-137821.html)

So that it’s still on-topic: I wonder whether the statement also refers to g.fast connections.

@Anonymous

Nice marketing stunt from Sunrise 🙂 If they want to replace the last mile copper with 5G, they will need (my estimate) at least as many new 5G cell phone masts as are needed for FTTS mCan, and they all have to be connected to glass.

Everyone can then imagine whether it is easier to get a building permit for a 5G antenna or an mCan in the shaft.

Greeting

NotNormal

@Roger G I even have a community in the Zurich Oberland that would be well suited as a pilot project for GPON 😉

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@robbieB wrote:

@Roger G I even have a community in the Zurich Oberland that would be well suited as a pilot project for GPON 😉

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Unfortunately not my construction site. And the first pilot is already running 🙂

Too bad…Let me guess, Pilot is running in the Bern region? 😉 It would be nice if you also invested in the ZO region. Question for you @Roger G: Why have the expansion plans for the pol. Pfäffikon community suspended? According to the network construction as of October 2018, this was still defined.

The last comprehensive expansion, it should be noted, was what felt like an eternity ago for FTTC (Huawei technology; installation of new DSLAM-PUS). So nothing with G. Fast or FTTS/B?

@robbieB

“The last comprehensive expansion, it should be noted, was what felt like an eternity ago for FTTC (Huawei technology; installation of new DSLAM-PUS). So nothing with G. Fast or FTTS/B? ”

Then think about @Werner’s statement again. I think there’s something about that…

“Anyone who was connected about 1 year ago may think they were unlucky because they missed g.Fast, but those who are currently connected will have had bad luck in 2-3 years because they missed PON, etc. etc. ”

Greetings, Thomas

ngPON pilots first run there, where we quickly reach the headquarters at the new Point-2-Multipoint FAN.

Pfäffikon (ZH) has no expansion plans for FTTS/B. Unfortunately I can’t say why. Half of the PUS are vectorized, but quite full. Reprioritization can therefore still come into discussion.