Cellular antenna - owner

    • Are there specialists who can use a photo to tell whether a newly installed antenna is from Swisscom or from another provider?

    This antenna must be new, I recently noticed.

    It is not yet listed in the Bakom transmitter map (is it possible that this map is only updated sporadically?).

    I couldn’t find any planning applications via Google search.

    The approval must have already been received because the antenna is up and running.

    The other question is whether this is already operational?

    In any case, you don’t have a stronger signal with Swisscom near this antenna than before.

    The business cell phone with Sunrise SIM did not show any improvement in reception either.

    So there are about 3 options:

    However, Swisscom’s \ antenna is not yet in operation

    Sunrise’s \ antenna is not yet in operation

    \ antenna is from Salt (I couldn’t test it, I didn’t have their SIM with me)

    This antenna would greatly improve reception and speed up mobile internet in a place where I often stay.

    But only if it is also operated by Swisscom.

    I don’t know, maybe someone can tell which network operator this antenna is from based on the hardware used. I meant that the network operators in Switzerland all have different hardware suppliers, so the expert can then possibly tell who could be behind it based on their appearance…

    The location is: Thunstrasse 57c, 3510 Konolfingen

    and this is what the antenna looks like:

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    @Samsi

    Thanks for your opinion, I hope for the best…

    It’s just funny that Swisscom is already planning a new antenna with the latest 5G technology in the same town, at Emmentalstrasse 45.

    This would not be that far away from the one at Thunstrasse 57c. Is Swisscom really building two new antennas in the same town and at a distance of only approx. 1.5 km as the crow flies? Ok, the one on Thunstrasse 57c would of course serve a completely different area than the planned antenna on Emmentalstrasse.

    I can only hope that it is actually a newly built Swisscom antenna on Thunstrasse, which is simply so new that the technology has not yet been set up and therefore the antenna is not yet transmitting. But then you would have a great improvement as a Swisscom customer in the future.

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    @MagicMax

    In my neighboring community, cell phone reception has been very poor and has been so for as long as cell phones have existed. Now action has finally been taken and Swisscom is planning two antennas in the rural community and not far from the other, although only one of them has been approved. The other one might have a hard time. Objections send greetings. In other words, that doesn’t mean at all that this antenna in Konolfingen is not from Swisscom if another one is planned at another location in Konolfingen, but as I said, whether this is really from Swisscom is difficult to judge.

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    According to the “Electric field strength” map, there is already a Swisscom mobile phone antenna near the Konolfingen cemetery.

    [https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/netz/mobilfunk-antennen-umwelt-gesundheit/feldstaerke.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/about/netz/mobilfunk-antennen- environment-health/feldstaerke.html)

    Enter address: Thunstrasse 57c 3510 Konolfingen

    Height above ground: 1.5 meters

    This “cemetery antenna” sufficiently covers the “Stalden” region with mobile communications. It is therefore unlikely that Swisscom will set up another mobile phone antenna in a rural area so close to another Swisscom mobile phone antenna (aerial distance 1 km).

    If you want to know exactly, ask the local government. Or use a decent smartphone with the internal “Network Monitor”.

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    The antennas and RRUs look Ericsson. Salt (since 2020) and Sunrise use Huawei equipment, Swisscom uses Ericsson.

    Therefore it can actually only be a Swisscom antenna.

    The OFCOM map is updated every few weeks and only includes active antennas.

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    @AbRah-SH

    Yes, that was my assumption too because of Ericsson. Hence the assumption that it can almost only be Swisscom. But as was mentioned, the local government will certainly provide information.

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    Here is the building application (from Swisscom):
    [https://amtsblatt.be.ch/#!/search/publications/detail/e712c6b3-23d8-4301-916e-394193a83531](https://amtsblatt.be.ch/#!/search/publications/detail/ e712c6b3-23d8-4301-916e-394193a83531)

    New construction of a mobile communications system for Swisscom (Schweiz) AG with mast, system technology and antennas, including 5G / KOFSThunstrasse 57, 3510 Konolfingen

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    6 days later

    @“x”#119089In my extended neighborhood, Swisscom built a mast on a high-rise building to ensure that a large development that is still under construction can be supplied. The building application was published by the municipality at the time. The mast has been standing since around May 2023, but is still in operation. My phone always connects to a remote tower. According to the app “Network Cell Info”. If the new mast goes into operation, our neighborhood would finally have better reception. Making calls works without any problems, but the internet is very, very slow. Do you know how long it takes for a mast to be able to transmit?

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    @Knurunkulus

    Is the antenna really from Swisscom? Normally it can take some time before the transmitter goes into operation. But since May? I really can’t tell you what the reason is. Unfortunately, I don’t know the local situation. Is the antenna already listed on the Bakom website? [https://map.geo.admin.ch/mobile.html?topic=funksender&lang=de&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farben&layers=ch.bakom.mobil-antennenstandorte-5g,ch.bakom. radio television station, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-gsm, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-umts, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-lte&catalogNodes=403,408] (https://map.geo.admin.ch/mobile.html?topic=funksender&lang=de&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farben&layers=ch.bakom.mobil-antennenstandorte-5g,ch.bakom. radio television station, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-gsm, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-umts, ch.bakom.mobil-antennenlocatione-lte&catalogNodes=403,408)

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    @Knurunkulus
    Do you see the mast on cellmapper.net?
    There are actually only active locations on the OFCOM website. But it could be that the antenna isn’t pointing in your direction, then you wouldn’t have any benefit.
    In another thread you mentioned a Hardstrasse, at Hardstrasse 51 in Wettingen there is a Salt mast.

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    @foobar wrote:

    But it could be that the antenna isn’t pointing in your direction, then you wouldn’t have any benefit.

    The photo shows 3 sector antennas in a symmetrical arrangement. A classic 3× 120° configuration is therefore used for the best possible all-round illumination (360°). The topic of sector antenna was discussed under:

    [https://community.sunrise.ch/d/28020-voip-empfang-mit-5g-besser/19](https://community.sunrise.ch/d/28020-voip-empfang-mit-5g- bad/19)

    [https://www.computerworld.ch/mobile/forschung/antennen-rechte-waehlen-positionieren-1334322.html](https://www.computerworld.ch/mobile/forschung/antennen-rechte-waehlen-positionieren- 1334322.html)

    treated in detail.

    One of the sector antennas has a clearly visible “mechanical tilt” uphill (uptilt). Their main lobe is obviously aimed at a collection of houses that is higher than the cell phone tower. On the subject of “mechanical tilt” and “electrical tilt” see also:

    [https://www.telecomhall.net/t/what-is-antenna-electrical-and-mechanical-tilt-and-how-to-use-it/6388](https://www.telecomhall.net/ t/what-is-antenna-electrical-and-mechanical-tilt-and-how-to-use-it/6388)

    On the topic of “main lobe” see also:

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Archiv-telefonie/Connectionabbr%C3%BCche-bei-Rastst%C3%A4tte-Rheintal/m-p/665111#M61987] (https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Archiv-telefonie/Connectionabbr%C3%BCche-bei-Rastst%C3%A4tte-Rheintal/m-p/665111#M61987)

    And since most (cellular) sector antennas are configured with a “downtilt”, cell phone reception does not work in airplanes at high altitudes. Only EAN’s sector antennas are generally aligned with the sky (uptilt), which enables mobile phone signal reception in the aircraft. See:

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Aviation_Network

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    @“x”#978904The antenna I mean is at Hardstrasse 37 in Wettingen. Hardstrasse 51 is in Neuenhof. I don’t see Hardstrasse 37 on Cellmapper.net. As I see it as a layman, there are several antennas around the mast.

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    @Knurunkulus
    At Hardstrasse 37 there is still nothing on the Bakom map. It’s probably not active yet.
    The application was advertised until June 9th, but depending on whether there were objections, it could take a few months.

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    @“x”#978904i.e. Swisscom is building the mast with the antennas on it without having a building permit? With the risk that everything has to be canceled again?

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    @Knurunkulus

    No, nobody does that and it wouldn’t be allowed. At Hardstrasse 37 I didn’t see any antenna on the map, just around it. So if there is one there, it is not yet active because only active channels are displayed on the Bakom website. But what I find strange is that you say that the antenna has been in place since around May, but as mentioned here the building application was advertised until mid-June? It’s actually impossible that the antenna has been up since May. If anything is standing, it’s just the construction team. This must always be unplugged beforehand. Objections are usually the rule rather than the exception for mobile phone antennas. If there are objections, it can take months, sometimes years, until the final approval is received. Even if no objection has been received, it usually doesn’t take that long until the transmitter is built and active.

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    Fun fact on the side: These antennas generate electrosmog even when they are not plugged in yet.

    Just ask a Swisscom employee how many people complain about installed but not yet activated antennas, which now give them constant headaches. 😆

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    It’s just a paradox with cell phone antennas. Nobody wants one in front of the house, but beware I have bad network somewhere along the way and therefore can’t upload my new 50% discounted branded shoes to Instagram! Sometimes I just wonder how few people want to prevent everything with sometimes flimsy arguments. Just recently saw a poster in a garden… our community remains 5G free. Sure, is it sleeping? Completely unrealistic. By the way, at the location with the poster: Swisscom 5G full scale 😄 But these people don’t seem to have noticed that at all.

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