FritzBox 7590 AX and G.fast Anschluss

    • So far I use an Internet Box 3, which delivers 500 Mbit/s for downloads via G.fast (FTTS Anschluss). A FritzBox 7590 AX is installed behind it. This supports the following standards:

    • G.fast according to ITU standard G.9700, G.9701 and G.997.2
    • VDSL2 vectoring according to ITU standard G.993.5 and G.997.1
    • ADSL2+ according to ITU standard G.992.5

    After a failed attempt last week, I tried again yesterday:

    • Internet connection wizard started.
    • Swisscom selected.
    • Swisscom All IP selected.

    You can’t set anything else using the assistant. Then the FritzBox was activated via https://swisscom.ch/start and I received an internet connection, but only:

    • Connection type: VDSL2 17a G.Vector (ITU G.993.5)
      • Download: 120 Mbps
      • Upload: 45 Mbps

    This means that the faster G.fast protocol was not used. Then I activated IP6 and suddenly nothing worked anymore. Only swisscom.ch could be reached and I could no longer go back to Internet Box 3. The activation page no longer worked or always indicated a successful configuration. The ticket was then opened and this morning Swisscom had to reconfigure the MAC address of the Internet Box 3. This means that the entire Anschluss has been reactivated.

    I would like to use the FritzBox as a DSL router instead of having to use two devices. Has anyone had this running successfully? What configuration does it run with?

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    • @foobar wrote:

      @Koyajauld24 The modem chip could be g.fast, but not as implemented by AVM in the FB7590 AX.

      The FB7590 AX supports supervectoring at 300 Mbit/s, but supervectoring is not used by Swisscom.

      Therefore, in Switzerland it can only do normal VDSL with around 120 Mbit/s.

      Yes… and no. The 7590 on the net all only run on vectoring… with a few exceptions. These are 7590s with a special FW, which ADB delivered to Green for testing. However, due to various bugs, this was not rolled out and therefore the 7590 remains on vectoring.

      And that’s right, we didn’t introduce VDSL_30 because we wouldn’t have VDSL2/Vectoring and g.Fast available on the same line, or g.Fast with 200mbps less speed (g.Fast with SV only from 34MHz, with Vectoring from 19.4MHz). In addition, many older routers cannot handle throughput >120mbps. And there are still some of them on the internet, including from 3rd ISPs.

    @Koyajauld24

    As far as I know, the FB 7590 cannot use g.Fast, it requires the FB 7583.

    What advantages do you expect from the FritzBox?

    With an IB3 or IB4 (glass only) you have everything you need and if WiFi coverage isn’t enough, you can attach a WB3 to the IB and you’re good. It couldn’t be simpler or more energy efficient.

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    here in writing that the 7590AX CANNOT be used on the Swisscom g.fast network:

    [https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E\_BBCS-Documents/e\_bbcs\_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf](https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/ swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/e_bbcs_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf)

    There you can also see that the 7582 goes and the 7583 goes in brackets.

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    ….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

    G.fast is listed here: [https://www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html](https:/ /www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html)

    To be on the safe side, I asked AVM. I’ll post the answer here.

    The FritzBox offers significantly better configuration options than the Internet Box. I only use the Internet Box as a DSL router. WiFi and everything else depends on it. In addition, Swisscom cannot simply adjust my configuration.

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    @Koyajauld24 wrote:

    G.fast is listed here: [https://www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html](https: //www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html)

    No matter what Heise writes about the 7590AX - I would assume what Swisscom writes on their PDF is valid for the Swisscom network…

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    ….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

    @Koyajauld24 wrote:

    G.fast is listed here: [https://www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html](https: //www.heise.de/tests/WLAN-Router-Fritzbox-7590-AX-mit-Wi-Fi-6-im-Test-6135881.html)

    To be on the safe side, I asked AVM. I’ll post the answer here.

    The FritzBox offers significantly better configuration options than the Internet Box. I only use the Internet Box as a DSL router. WiFi and everything else depends on it. In addition, Swisscom cannot simply adjust my configuration.

    @Koyajauld24

    According to AVM’s homepage, this model supports DSL up to a maximum of 300 Mbit/s and that definitely does not correspond to the g.Fast in Switzerland, but possibly a different (?) g.Fast standard in Germany. This means that if you want to continue pursuing the solution with the FB directly on the DSL-Anschluss, you cannot avoid FB 7583. Here is the link to a corresponding post here in the forum:

    Solved: Fritzbox 7583 | Swisscom Community​

    P.S.:

    Swisscom does not adapt your configuration. And if you don’t trust the provider, you’re not allowed to access the Internet at all. Mobile depends, because the provider always has access to your Verbindungsdaten, for example.

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    @Koyajauld24 The modem chip could be g.fast, but not as implemented by AVM in the FB7590 AX.

    The FB7590 AX supports supervectoring at 300 Mbit/s, but supervectoring is not used by Swisscom.

    Therefore, in Switzerland it can only do normal VDSL with around 120 Mbit/s.

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    @foobar wrote:

    @Koyajauld24 The modem chip could be g.fast, but not as implemented by AVM in the FB7590 AX.

    The FB7590 AX supports supervectoring at 300 Mbit/s, but supervectoring is not used by Swisscom.

    Therefore, in Switzerland it can only do normal VDSL with around 120 Mbit/s.

    Yes… and no. The 7590 on the net all only run on vectoring… with a few exceptions. These are 7590s with a special FW, which ADB delivered to Green for testing. However, due to various bugs, this was not rolled out and therefore the 7590 remains on vectoring.

    And that’s right, we didn’t introduce VDSL_30 because we wouldn’t have VDSL2/Vectoring and g.Fast available on the same line, or g.Fast with 200mbps less speed (g.Fast with SV only from 34MHz, with Vectoring from 19.4MHz). In addition, many older routers cannot handle throughput >120mbps. And there are still some of them on the internet, including from 3rd ISPs.

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    Roger G.
    Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access

    Thank you for the detailed answers.

    Here is the list of supported DSL variants of the 7590 AX:

    [https://avm.de/service/wissenskatalog/dok/FRITZ-Box-7590-AX/37\_Unterstutzte-DSL-Ports?t\_id=5309068](https://avm.de/service/wissenskatalog/ doc/FRITZ-Box-7590-AX/37_Supported-DSL-Connections?t_id=5309068)

    This means that G.fast Swisscom is not supported and I’m sticking with the Internet Box 3 as a DSL router.

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    7 months later

    @POGO 1104 wrote:

    here in writing that the 7590AX can NOT be used on the Swisscom g.fast network:

    [https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E\_BBCS-Documents/e\_bbcs\_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf](https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/ swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/e_bbcs_supporting-documentprovedequipment.pdf)

    There you can also see that the 7582 goes and the 7583 goes in brackets.

    Do you know what restrictions (the brackets around the X) are on the 7583?

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