Fritzbox 5530-Fiber runs with AON SFP module?

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 16, 2022

Fritzbox 5530-Fiber runs with AON SFP module?

Hello

I’m trying to set up a Fritzbox 5530 fiber instead of the IB4 supplied on my Swisscom fiber and don’t understand the information about the SFP module.
I read everywhere that you need an XGS-PON. I ordered my Fritzbox from Digitec, received it with an AON module in it and set it up without a clue. The strange thing is that the fiber connection works and I have internet access. The only problem I have is setting up the telephony.
In order to move forward, I’m trying to exclude all sources of error. The module probably has no influence on setting up telephony via SIP credentials. Nevertheless, I would like to know what the SFP is all about.

The information on the module plugged into the Swisscom-IB4 is:
Hisense
LTE3405-BE+
SM-10km-1310Tx/1490Rx-1.25G-E
S/N:UMXBA013973
Class 1 Laser Product 21 CFR(J)

And those on the module plugged into the Fritzbox are called:
FRITZ!SFP AON
Article no.:2000 2940
S/N:AB20102310163

In the Fritz.Box5530 257.07.30 it says under Fiber Information->Overview:

Model: FRITZ!Box 5530
Data pump version: 1.14.4_3.17.1.3.33
Fiber optic internet: active
Connection time: 2 hours and 18 minutes
Connection Type: AON (IEEE 802.3 1000Base-BX10)

Properties of the fiber module
Internal temperature 56.8 °C
Internal supply voltage 3,364 V
Transmission current 24 mA
Transmission power -5.3 dBm
Reception power -9.2 dBm
Wavelength Sent 1310 nm
Receive wavelength 1490 / 1550 nm
Connector type LC/APC
FRITZ!SFP designation FRITZ!SFP AON is plugged in

Line settings
VLAN Ignore DS Priority
XG-PON mix mode car

I would be very grateful for tips, we have been without a landline for a while and need it.

hed · Sep 16, 2022

@Pegriemmon54 wrote:

I would be very grateful for tips, we have been without a landline for a while and need it.

@Pegriemmon54

With the IB4, telephony would run in just a few minutes.

What do you absolutely need with the FB that the IB can’t do?

5018 · Sep 16, 2022

Why do you want to swap a premium box for a mid-range model? But good.

FritzBoxes are not set up automatically. If you want to use a landline network, you have to request the SIP credentials in Kundencenter and then set them up in the FRITZ!Box.

Use the IB4. You don’t get more performance at the moment.

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 16, 2022

I know, I already have the SIP credentials. I haven’t been able to set it up yet and that’s why I have a question about the SFP module. Could this have something to do with telephony?

hed · Sep 16, 2022

@Pegriemmon54

No, the SFP module only has to do with connectivity and when this is established, telephony is one of many applications such as Internet, mail, TV,… that are based on this connection. And if the SFP module causes problems and therefore no connection is established, all applications are affected and not just telephony.

P.S.:

You haven’t answered the question from @5018 and me about what you see as the advantages of the FritzBox over the IB4?

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 17, 2022

Thanks for your answer about the SFP module. It confirms that telephony cannot be directly affected. If it’s not too complicated: Can you also say something about the information that seems contradictory to me?

The IB4 is certainly a great device. Unfortunately it is not suitable for my situation. There are many reasons for this, but I cannot expand on them here. Just an example regarding Premium:

We operate our own WiFi, so the fact that I couldn’t permanently turn off WiFi on the box is an exclusion criterion. For the standard user, unchangeable settings are an advantage because fewer mistakes can be made (and the hotline has to clean up less).

We are prepared to use a Frotzbox in many ways and rely on the fact that telephony can be set up. Before we switched to Swisscom with the rest, I researched extensively and came to the conclusion that, according to Swisscom, AVM and Digitec, this constellation works.

I really hope I wasn’t mistaken. If so, I’ll be happy to know. Better an ending with horror than a horror without end… 😉

I have the SIP credentials and the instructions for “Setting up the FRITZ Box on the Swisscom fiber optic connection”. I also think that I have correctly assigned the values, some of which have different names. If not, I would be grateful for a hint:

“Phone number for registration” = “Username”,
“Username” = “Authentication Name”,
“password” = “password”,

“Registrar” = “Domain”,

“Proxy Server” = “Outbound Proxy”.

Because not all data can be entered directly into the settings in the FB, but is initially queried and adopted via an assistant, I cannot see where the error lies.

user109 · Sep 17, 2022

@Pegriemmon54 Have you ever registered the Fritzbox with Swisscom? www.swisscom.ch/start

andiroid · Sep 17, 2022

@Pegriemmon54 wrote:

If not, I would be grateful for a hint:

“Phone number for registration” = “User name”,
“Username” = “Authentication Name”,
“Password” = “Password”,

“Registrar” = “Domain”,

“Proxy Server” = “Outbound Proxy”.

I guess you have to swap username to username and “login number” and “authentication name”.

Take a look here, there are instructions for the old FB’s:

https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Festnetz/SIP-Credentials/td-p/464598

Stay tuned, I will also do the oxen tour next year and will benefit from your experience.

hed · Sep 17, 2022

@Pegriemmon54

With the IB4 you can turn off the WiFi permanently in the menu.

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 17, 2022

I sought support from the hotline three times. At first the power strip was to blame, then a reset was supposed to help and ultimately it was explained to me that WLAN is always on after a restart, no matter what was previously set. I believed this because all my attempts needed the same result. But as I said, it is one of many exclusion criteria. It’s not about the quality of the IB4, but about our special situation for which we need the FB. And I think a discussion about IB4 vs FB goes beyond the scope.

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 17, 2022

@andiroid wrote:

@Pegriemmon54 wrote:

If not, I would be grateful for a hint:

“Phone number for registration” = “User name”,
“Username” = “Authentication Name”,
“Password” = “Password”,

“Registrar” = “Domain”,

“Proxy Server” = “Outbound Proxy”.

I suspect you have to swap username for username and “login number” and “authentication name”.

Take a look here, there are instructions for the old FB’s:

https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Festnetz/SIP-Credentials/td-p/464598

Stay tuned, I will also do the oxen tour next year and will benefit from your experience.

thank you. I know that this assignment sounds contradictory. However, I achieved it with a lot of effort. So compared different sources (AVM, Swisscom, etc.) and looked at the assistant and settings to see what ended up where.

The stupid thing is that there are several fields that are not clear and there are too many variants to just try it out.

But I think I have to go back to it.

Pegriemmon54 · Sep 18, 2022

I think the problem is solved. At least everything is going as expected now. Thank you for your support!

So that the many hours may also benefit others, here is my documentation of how it went:

Internet Service Provider:

Fiber optic at Swisscom (services: “blue Internet S” and “blue Telefonie M”)

Hardware:

FritzBox-5530, Article no.: 20002937, Serial no.: N373.772.30.069.564 delivered with inserted SFP module: FRITZ!SFP AON, Article no.:2000 2940, S/N:AB20102310163

Internet connection set up.

Update FRITZ!OS (currently 7.30)

All access data was thoroughly checked for errors (typos, copied space, etc.).

Registered on the FritzBox,

->“Telephony”

->“Own phone numbers”

->“New phone number”

Registration details:

“Other provider”,
“Phone number for registration”: +41MY TELEPHONE NUMBER WITH AREA CODE
“Internal phone number in the FRITZ!Box” MY TELEPHONE NUMBER WITHOUT AREA CODE

Access data (from SIP credentials):

“Username”: AUTHENTICATION NAME (xyz@abc.ch)
“Authentication name”: AUTHENTICATION NAME (xyz@abc.ch)
“Password”: SIXTEEN CHARACTERS (called “password” in Swisscom’s Sip credentials)
“Registrar” (called “domain” at Swisscom): swisscom.ch
“Proxy server”: fs1.ims.swisscom.ch (called “Outbound Proxy” in Swisscom’s SIP credentials)

Additional Settings

“Use phone number for registration” activated
“Always log in via an internet connection” enabled

Everything is saved and after the automatic check, the green bar appears and “The telephony check was successful”. 🙂

Then “assigned phone numbers” and set up the telephony device.

Tested everything and made a FritzBox backup from the settings via System->Backup.

DANGER!

I used these two instructions:

1. With the SIP credentials I received this Swisscom link via SMS:

http://www.swisscom.ch/sip-credentials

2. AVM has this “Fritzbox 5530 on Fiber Swisscom”:

[https://ch.avm.de/service/wissenskatalog/dok/FRITZ-Box-5530/3620\_FRITZ-Box-am-Swisscom-Glas fiber-connection-setting up](https://ch.avm.de/service/ knowledge base/doc/FRITZ-Box-5530/3620_FRITZ-Box-on-Swisscom-fiber-optic-connection-setup)

They are well made, but didn’t work for me in two ways. I had to do the following differently:

1.

Swisscom states “Your landline number: you will receive it via SMS” as your username.

This didn’t work for me. Here I also had to enter the authentication name.

2.

In the AVM instructions, under “Setting up a phone number”, you still have to tick the box next to “Always log in via an internet connection”.

I don’t know if that’s always the case. Give it a try if you can’t get there with the official version.

andiroid · Sep 18, 2022

Cool @Pegriemmon54, thanks for the great summary! 🤩

foobar · Sep 18, 2022

Does anyone have an explanation as to why the AON module works on an XGS-PON Anschluss?

hed · Sep 18, 2022

@foobar

I assume that @Pegriemmon54 does not have a PON-Anschluss but an AON-Anschluss. Because the PON modules only work on a PON-Anschluss and the AON modules only work on an AON-Anschluss.

5018 · Sep 19, 2022

If he were to connect the AON to an XGS-PON - Anschluss, then he would disturb the “tree” and could get in real trouble. It’s better not to do that.

sam1970 · Mar 20, 2023

@5018

“Why do you want to swap a premium box for a mid-range model? But good.”

Premium box… I could hardly stop laughing. 6 months later…… yes they are usable and nothing more.

“Use the IB4. You can’t get more performance at the moment.”

My old Fritz for the glass fiber connection had better performance in many respects and still has a lot that Swisscom will never be able to do. Tell me how I can connect two IB ¾/5 (whatever) into a network to improve the connection in several rooms.

Modem data and settings belong on the modem and not on the Swisscom servers.

5018 · Mar 20, 2023

The IBs have better hardware and you can always argue about software.

It doesn’t make sense to connect multiple routers for many reasons. That’s what the WLAN boxes are for. You can achieve pretty much anything with this.

The concept of backing up settings on the network is primarily due to the 99.9% of customers who simply want to have everything available again even if a router is replaced or reset. This is also the concept of AllIP at Swisscom. Today this is called cloud based 😉 No retail router can do that to this extent. That’s why there are only a handful of Swisscom customers.

hed · Mar 20, 2023

Added to this is the waste of energy:

Another FB requires 10 - 16 watts, a WB3 only 7 watts and a WB2 that provides more than enough speed, even just 5 watts.