Hello everyone

Yes, I also changed the cables (several Cat6a in different lengths and two Thunderbolt 3 cables from Apple).

In addition, the results are the same whether I use IB3-Dock-Thunderbolt MacPro or IB3-Cat6a-MacMini 2018 with integrated 10G Ethernet. Whatever I have tested and replaced, the result is always the same.

Nevertheless: I will document it again tomorrow so that I can rule out an internal error on my part.

With many greetings from the mountains from smallpot

Good morning everyone

I also think it has nothing to do with Thunderbolt. My measurements were made using a Mac mini with a 10 Gbit NIC. A comparison measurement with a Windows device and also 10 Gbit NIC shows the same pattern. The NIC card on the Windows computer is a low-budget device and the measurement in the upload is even worse than on the Mac.

Greetings

SchnD

@Smallpot:

Can you install the latest beta firmware and run the test again. Would be interesting to know if the problem is also reproducible.

[https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/internet/firmware-aktualizen-internet-box.html](https://www.swisscom.ch/de/privatkunden/hilfe/internet/firmware- update-internet-box.html)

And a second question:

Does the asymmetry also occur on the 1G port?

Thanks,

MichelB

@MichelB @Smallpot already has 11.03.36. No difference.

For me the optical signal is as follows:

Upstream 6.846 dBmDownstream -17.19 dBm

iMac 1GBit internal: approx. 900MBit downstream and upstreamiMac with AQC100s network card in TB1 enclosure and GTek 10G SFP+ module under Mac OS and Linux approx. 2300MBit down and 300MBit up.

Various Cat7 network cables. TB network card on MacBook -> same behavior

It kind of annoyed me, I just bought a Sonnet Solo10G card (AQS107s, RJ45) for a mere CHF 123. This is the same chip as in the current iMac Pro, but according to forum posts at MacRumors and InsanelyMac, MacOS is a bit finicky.

Ookla (console):

Download: 2238.48 Mbps (data used: 3.9 GB)

 Upload: 1796.38 Mbps (data used: 1.0 GB)

Coincidence? Causality? Swisscom activity due to this thread?

Who knows…I’ll keep an eye on it…Even if that doesn’t really explain your observations under Windows or the Mac mini’s internal 10G card…

Cheers,

rosho

EDIT: Firmware version 11.03.30 / 11.03.36 Price of the card corrected

@roscho

What I don’t see from your post:

Did you do the tests on 2.5 on the 1Gbit port of the IB3?

Please verify the tests once on the 2.5 and on the 1Gbit port of the IB3

also @Smallpot

@POGO 1104

I thought I wrote somewhere that the problem on the 1GB ports 3 and 4 was even more extreme.

I’ve just tested the Sonnet card under Ubuntu Linux 20.04 with the latest drivers and firmware and Okla reports 2350 Mbit up&down on the 2.5G port or 900 Mbit up&down on the 1G port.

So my problem was most likely due to the 10GTek SFP+ module or the cooperation of the AQS100s card with 10Gbase-T modules in general (a 1GBase-T module from ubiqity ran perfectly and its 10G counterpart did not work at all = no link).

Maybe I would have to measure both cards together on a 10G switch with iperf…

Hello everyone

Instead of smallpot I should probably rename myself Confucius.

Thanks to your help, I was now able to find out the following - until I went to bed - always via the 2.5G port:

MacPro with Thunderbolt3 to OWC Dock Pro to IB3 = Incompatible with the IB3 as far as 2.5 G is concerned, ie down 2.4, up 0.3

Mac Mini with 10G card via Ubiquity Router XG16/Microtik SFP+ incompatible with the IB3 as far as 2.5G is concerned, ie down 2.4, up 0.3

MacMini via 10G card via Ubiquity router/10G Ethernet port on Ubiquity to IB3 - connection only occurs with 1G, but connection is synchronous (0.9 up/down)

ALSO: There is definitely a compatibility problem with the Ubiquity/Mikrotik SFP+ regarding 2.5G as well as the 2.5 port of the IB3 over the 10G Ethernet port of the Ubiquity XG16 (only 1g, but synchrono).

Verification using a dismantled Windows 10 machine with 10G Ethernet card Intel Intel X550 with Intel Driver 4.1.4.1 and ditto:

The IB3 delivers 2.4 down/0.4 up on the 2.5G Ethernet input via the Ubiquity/Microtik SFP+ port

via Ubiquity/Ethernet port, the IB3 delivers 1G synchronously on the 2.5G Ethernet port (0.9 up/down)

Long story short:

There are increasing indications that HW comp problems (ie hardware itself or the drivers for it) cause the async behavior.

In the coming days I will expand the MacMini and Windows 10 hardware and test the direct test IB3 to the machines again or I will get a sinfully expensive 20m CAT6a Ethernet cable…

Last but not least, take the Zyxel and see whether their SFP+ establishes a synchronous 10G connection with the Microtik SFP+ 10G connection or Ubiquitx XG16 10G Ethernet ports or not.

@MichaelB is this information helpful for driver programming of the IB3 or does it suggest that the hardware itself (ie the 2.5E port of the IB3 with Ubiquity/Microtik SFP+) stands on its feet, i.e. no driver Update can fix the miscommunication.

I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to the entire community for taking part in the testing. It would never have occurred to me without you that there are 3 comp problems (**MacPro notebook via Thunderbolt 3 with OWC Dock Pro directly to the IB and MacMini/Windows10 with Ubiquity/Microtik SFP+ which concerns 2.5G or synchronous only about 1G), That took me completely in circles!

smallpot greets you from the Bernese mountains, which are sinking in the cold

ADDENDUM Thur 11FEB0730: Windows and Mac communicate with the Synology - equipped with Intel X550 - easily via Ubiquity/SFP+ or Ubiquity/10G-Ethernet port - with full 10G speed test.

Unfortunately this is the only test for today, duty calls. More tomorrow.

Hello everyone

Testing with the IB3 became too much for me and I installed the Zyxel AX7501 (TV works, IP6 works).

Test results via Ubiquity/Microtik SFP+:

Win 10 on Speedtest

down 5.8

up 4.1

4ms

Wingo Lausanne

MacMini on Speedtest

down 7.9

up 4

4ms

Wingo Lausanne

cnlab: The default server used here is hsi.bluewin.ch with 2.5G and IP6 address:

Windows 10

down 0.2

up 2.2

6ms

MacMini

down 2.3

up 2.4

5ms

Conclusion: In my opinion, the IB3 is still maturing with the customer and 2.5G Ethernet is not compatible with many things, and the Zyxel AX7501 does not work satisfactorily with everyone under Win, but a different server should probably be switched as standard. But otherwise speed seems to be quite synchronous even via ubiquity/microtik SFP+, e.g. also when testing via testmy.net to London (Win and Mac 500Mbps up/down).

Consequence: The Zyxel stays on, the replacement IB3 is returned with kind regards

After all the testing, now it’s time to take a break and then it’s time for the pfsense product

General: It seems to me that the XGS-Pon should be the end of the egg-laying dairy pig, ie an IB3 for all private customers. A general product, a fiber product specific (also more expensive), but also with bridge mode and possibly also with a fixed IP option (although only business customers can get this)

A somewhat tired smallpot greets you from the cold

Hello everyone

As an addendum, here’s why I stopped testing:

The IB3 has a 2.5G port. But I only have material that is 1G/10G compatible, ie there are a large number of results in between, but they are actually quite useless for development. You (probably) can’t cope with drivers and instead of tinkering with your own setup or buying parts that are multimode, the simpler solution is a modem/router with 10G functionality. This ensures - within the framework - that the individual parts communicate with each other in a standardized and therefore comprehensible manner.

Many greetings from the thickly wrapped smallpot

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@GrandDixence wrote:

cnlab: The default server used here is hsi.bluewin.ch with 2.5G and IP6 address:

CNLAB measurements with XGS-PON should be carried out with IPv4 on the server ezmp4.switch.ch. See page 16 of the slide deck:

https://www.cnlab.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/20200915_UserExperience_InternetBenchmarking_ComCom_Workshop.pdf

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Very exciting, comprehensive and in certain parts “shocking” presentation (if you measure, you measure crap). Contains everything you need to know about the quality parameters of your Internet connection. Thanks for sharing.

Here is another interesting article from CNLAB on the topic of “XGS-PON performance measurements and the challenges”:

https://ux.cnlab.ch/benchmarking/news/10g-bechmarking

I get a Zyxel AX7501-B0 router on a 10 gig Asus card,
via a Cat6a cable, the full 8.2 Gbit/s that can be achieved with a passive PON.

Tested with cnlab UX test with the 10gig Sunrise test server.

@Deuffungein61 Have you ever tested how fast the UP load into the Google cloud (Google Drive) is. You will find that you could also use a 1 Gbit/s Internet Anschluss for this😁.

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@Deuffungein61 wrote:

Tested with cnlab UX test with the 10gig Sunrise test server.

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And where other than a test server can you use the _8Gbit/s for “real” applications?

Do you have a server that can provide you with something clearly >1Gbit? Which one is that?

Steam?? I’ve already downloaded a game with around 2.5-3Gbit/s. It went too fast to look 😉 But only on the M.2 SSD, otherwise the normal SATA SSD slows down