The APC has been in use for around 10 years. (Replaced over 4 years ago)

Powerline also over 10 years. (Replaced about 2 years ago)

The 7490 was complained about by Swisscom because of a poor line connection.

The technician replaced my telephone socket, but the Devolo DLAN that caused the whole thing was stuck next to it and ignored it.

I used to have Netgear Powerline, but DSL didn’t work with one model back then. But that was exchanged for a newer version without any problems.

The 7590 does not have G.Fast, but it is definitely more stable than the tested 7582 with G.Fast.

There should be software for the Devolos that should solve the problem.

Should set another operating mode with lower speeds.

Apparently these are only available upon request from Devolo.

I once asked.

Would a network decoupler be able to solve the problem.

Where can you get something like that to test?

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@WalterB wrote:

@Werner

Where does it say that it is permitted to install low-voltage lines in high-voltage lines without partitions; when I was still carrying out installations, it was forbidden by the Federal Heavy Current Inspectorate?

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Is permitted according to NIN 5.2.8, see [this thread from November 2017](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Festnetztelefonie/LAN-Kabel-kommen-mit-220-Volt-Stromdr%C3%A4hten-im -same-pipe/m-p/514543).

@PowerMac

Thank you for the tip, I will still lay the LAN cables in a separate line or cable duct, e.g. Telephone or TV pipes.

It is surprising that such regulations were previously made against merging lines and that it is allowed today.

@WalterB

The goal is certainly not to pull as many cables as possible into the same pipe. But if you don’t have an empty pipe, a telephone cable pipe or a cable TV pipe in existing buildings, the power pipe is still a far better alternative than DIY solutions such as PowerLine and WLAN bridges…

“Dumb” cables simply have the advantage that they are cheap, do not need any software updates and are also very powerful and long-lasting…

As I said, I wouldn’t do this for myself or others because there are a number of factors involved, e.g. Interference caused by the parallel routing of the cable, as the power cables are not twisted in order to minimize this.

@WalterB

If you don’t trust the Ethernet installation cables in the power pipe enough and add about 200 CHF more, you can also use fiber (optical fiber cable) with Ethernet adapters at both ends, then the topic of the theoretically possible interference effects of the electrical cables on the Ethernet cables will be addressed Security definitely taken care of.

In any case, my electrician claims that the local situation in which he was unable to subsequently and covertly install a fixed full-duplex-capable GigaBit data cable had to be invented first…

Of course, everyone should be able to be happy as they see fit and Swisscom ultimately also wants to sell PowerLines and WLAN bridges.

She just doesn’t want to hear the subsequent whining when problems arise.

So my advice: always use a LAN cable for devices with a fixed location. For mobile devices, of course, use the best possible WiFi and simply forget about the rest of the connection options to protect your nerves.

P.S.: @WalterB By the way, are you really sure that somewhere in your apartment there isn’t a white, even unshielded Swisscom LAN cable no closer than 10 centimeters to a power cable? If so, I still wouldn’t worry, because normally that doesn’t lead to problems…

@Werner

Sorry, but what’s the point?

This is a forum.

I don’t care how YOU and YOUR electrician pull and lay the cables.

-Swisscom is expanding.

-Now everyone has to hunker down and throw away their powerline and pull out the LAN cable.

This isn’t any help:

-Pull the cable at fixed locations

-Use WiFi for mobile devices

By the way:

Power cable (connection cable etc)

are slowly twisted, the copper wires in the pipes are not.

In keeping with the thread title “End devices for G.Fast”, I would still like the best solution for Swisscom to provide its customers not only with Internet boxes including a router part that cannot be switched off, but also optionally with a pure modem as a provider CPE place.

The modem part is very provider-specific and is also subject to further developments and possibly non-transparent adjustments by the provider itself.

So it would certainly be the most stable solution for private routers to really leave the modem part to the provider and then simply transfer the Ethernet signal to the in-house WAN interface of your own home network.

This wish is not new, but is already as old as Internet boxes exist (the Netopias still knew bridge mode and the Centro Grande could at least still do IP forwarding)

Unfortunately, Swisscom is still not listening to customers’ wishes for a simple, pure modem and prefers to pursue the “all-or-nothing CPE strategy”, which goes something like this: Either you take the full-service Internet box , or you just have to take care of the modem yourself.

Customer friendliness could perhaps look different.

P.S. @Anonymous: Of course you can now tell me once again that a maximum of 0.5% of all Swisscom customers have requirements that go beyond the standard offering of Internet boxes.

But no matter how high this percentage actually is, there will always be these customers and it would actually be better for the Swisscom network if there were no private CPE directly in your network, but at least Swisscom modems on the network would be connected.

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@dc.mueller wrote:

@Werner

Sorry, but what’s the point?

This is a forum.

I don’t care how YOU and YOUR electrician pull and lay the cables.

-Swisscom is expanding.

-Now everyone has to cower and throw away their powerline and pull out the LAN cable.

That’s no help:

-Pull the cable at fixed locations

-Use WiFi for mobile devices

By the way:

Power cable (connection cable etc)

are slowly twisted, the copper wires in the pipes are not.

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@dc.mueller

The forum provides enough answers to the question of which technology is the first choice and which one should be avoided.

People have been reading about problems with PLAN and WLAN for years, while there are no problems with Gigabit Ethernet LAN (as long as you install 8-wire throughout and don’t split it into 2×4 wires), even if the cables are connected together with the power cables. be relocated.

The same picture in the companies. The nomadic users with their laptops under their arms constantly complain about disruptions and poor performance, while their colleagues who connect the devices to the LAN can work without any problems.

And what does this all have to do with the expansion of Swisscom?

Regardless of the provider and its connection technology, PLAN is and has always been a mess (and WLAN is just a compromise for small mobile devices without LAN-Anschluss) that sometimes works better, sometimes worse, depending on the environmental conditions. And if you’ve never used PLAN and have used LAN cables from the start, you don’t have to throw anything away.

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@WalterB wrote:

As I said, I wouldn’t do this for myself or others because there are a number of factors involved, e.g. Interference caused by the parallel routing of the cable, as the power cables are not twisted in order to minimize this.

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@WalterB

….but the LAN cables are twisted to avoid interference.

There is enough research to show that parallel routing has no negative impact on the performance of a Gigabit Ethernet connection. And you don’t read anything about such problems in the forum either, in contrast to the problems with PLAN and WLAN.

OK

G.Fast means DLAN out and LAN in.

Great problem solution.

Some people make it easy for themselves.

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@dc.mueller wrote:

Ok

G.Fast means DLAN out and LAN in.

Great problem solving.

Some people make it easy for themselves.

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You’re right, I actually always look for the simplest solutions. This has simply been the most successful in the last 4 decades…

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@dc.mueller wrote:

Ok

G.Fast means DLAN out and LAN in.

Great problem solving.

Some people make it easy for themselves.

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The simplest solution is often the best solution.

Or do you only accept solutions that save your PLAN from the trash?

Sometimes you can’t avoid jumping over your own shadow.

It’s quite possible that someone will come up with a solution, but sooner or later you’ll have problems with the PLAN again.

I’m wondering why you’re so resistant to an Ethernet LAN?

I may not take away the easiest one to believe.

But I want to know all the options first.

A cable to the fuse box.

A switch there and further into the basement room.

If I connect the digital power server to the cable at the fuse box, I might have an even bigger problem.

It’s better to test everything first and then possibly modify it.

A 06.84 and a 06.98-59908 laboratory are available for the 7582.
The 84 is running, the laboratory has been tested on 2 boxes without success.
But there is no recovery, the way back is not that easy.

Good evening G@fast community. Where can you pull down the 06.84. Since I can’t use the autoubdate function on my FB because Sumrise hides the menu item, I have to do a manual update. Thanks

You have mail.

Hello Michael.

Where can I find the 6.84 for the 7582?

Is there a way to deactivate G.Fast on the 7582 so I always have to switch between the 7590 and 7582?

You have mail.

There is no known option to select the access technology manually.

The box always selects the fastest option independently.