@mazel wrote:

@Stahlreck yes You already have your solution: YOU don’t buy the new thing, even though the requirements would be right for you.

Greetings Mazel

Oh my goodness… your suggestion… it’s just bursting with incredible genius! I bow to you. ^^

Sorry, couldn’t help it 😉

@“x”#21449Yes, maybe you’re right, I don’t really need UHD, so I don’t need to buy the box… I won’t anyway. What’s annoying for me are the slow menus of the HD Box and the non-existent VLC app. These are 2 things that I could really use, but of course not for this price. I also hope that the HD Box no longer receives updates to improve performance.

Regarding the mentality “Everything has to be free”: You can also exaggerate it… Many people on Android, for example, download apps illegally instead of paying mini-prices of 2-5 francs for an app. THAT is sometimes really hard for independent developers. Swisscom would definitely not go bankrupt with a free box or reduced subscription prices. ^^ If Swisscom were a small startup…OK…but I think Swisscom is a bit bigger and definitely has a lot of market power in Switzerland, which they also use 😉

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Stahlreck wrote:

Regarding the mentality “Everything has to be free”: You can also exaggerate it… Many people on Android, for example, download apps illegally instead of paying mini-prices of 2-5 francs for an app. THAT is sometimes really hard for independent developers. Swisscom would definitely not go bankrupt with a free box or reduced subscription prices. ^^ If Swisscom were a small startup…OK…but I think Swisscom is a bit bigger and definitely has a lot of market power in Switzerland, which they also use 😉

Yes, that’s not the case at Swisscom either, where you can just give everything away and the price doesn’t matter, otherwise such information wouldn’t appear in the press!

http://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/swisscom-von-busse-belastet-1.18689421

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Not going broke is true, but that’s like a rat’s tail. The electrician has to be free and everything new that comes out, etc. As long as I can continue watching normally - that will continue to be the case, only with HD and SD, which is enough, you don’t have to change. Anyone who wants more will be willing (or have to) pay more for it. That’s the case everywhere. Apple is also very rich, do they give anything away? No, on the contrary.

It’s also a kind of guarantee that Swisscom can’t come tomorrow and say we’re moving our AP abroad because we can no longer afford it. In this regard, people seem to be looking into the distance, although in companies listed on the stock exchange it usually only seems to be about short-term satisfaction for the shareholders and the customer does not come first, even if it is suggested that way or every customer thinks he is king. But I can’t tell any company what they should or shouldn’t charge. I bet a lot of people would be upset too if the box cost $5.

I’m even of the opinion that the competition is too cheap and can’t afford it. Most of the time something is taken away at the back so that a cheap price can be offered at the front. So something is lost in terms of service and quality, or you have people from the Czech Republic on the phone. With today’s variety of technology, most people are overwhelmed and it’s not just the companies that keep the pace up. Many customers demand even more and more - see apps on the TV etc. Or if I don’t get 7 days of replay, I go to the one that offers it. But the fact that the other person has a fraction of the customers who need Replay is often forgotten. So 7 days of replay is offered, which requires a large number of new servers (almost 200 channels are recorded every day) and we’re talking millions of users. But if a server fails or something has to be replaced, then the very ones that required 7 days are the first to freak out today if a recording/replay cannot be viewed at the moment.

But I admit that I used to think, why do I need 7 days of replay, but now I really enjoy it and don’t want to be without it anymore. But if I can’t watch something, I’ll watch it later, record it or whatever.

But the new box is UHD-heavy and no one will buy it because of an app that isn’t on the TV. Does the box actually have new apps? Question for the hard-working testers (and thanks for your cooperation)

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forevermore wrote:

Not going broke is true, but that’s like a rat’s tail. The electrician has to be free and everything new that comes out, etc. As long as I can continue watching normally - that will continue to be the case, only with HD and SD, which is enough, you don’t have to change. Anyone who wants more will be willing (or have to) pay more for it. That’s the case everywhere. Apple is also very rich, do they give anything away? No, on the contrary.

But that’s not my point…Apple is (as already mentioned a few times) not a subscription…well, how about instead of complaining about the fact that you don’t get anything for free…why not the cheaper the more expensive the subscription You have or the option to pay for the box via subscription, how similar to the +5 Fr. that you have to pay for each additional box? What annoys me is not that the box isn’t generally free, but that new customers can have it for free, but customers with subscriptions, no matter how big or expensive, don’t even get a small discount. If someone with Vivo XS doesn’t get anything…ok, they probably don’t want to pay anything for large internet or a lot of television anyway, but someone with Vivo L or even XL doesn’t get anything either? Then it’s not free, how about a discount? Then existing customers who already pay a lot get a thank you and those who hardly have to pay anything just have to pay something for it…

forevermore wrote:

I’m even of the opinion that the competition is too cheap and can’t afford it. Most of the time something is taken away at the back so that a cheap price can be offered at the front. So something is lost in terms of service and quality, or you have people from the Czech Republic on the phone. With today’s variety of technology, most people are overwhelmed and it’s not just the companies that keep the pace up. Many customers demand even more and more - see apps on the TV etc. Or if I don’t get 7 days of replay, I go to the one that offers it. But the fact that the other person has a fraction of the customers who need Replay is often forgotten. So 7 days of replay is offered, which requires a large number of new servers (almost 200 channels are recorded every day) and we’re talking millions of users. But if a server fails or something has to be replaced, then the very ones that required 7 days are the first to freak out today if a recording/replay cannot be viewed at the moment.

The competition is not too cheap. Swisscom is or was quite expensive (I haven’t compared the prices for a while), I don’t know where they invest all their money, but still… quite expensive. That’s just what happens with a monopoly, so it’s good that the competition seems to be catching up, because it stimulates business.

forevermore wrote:

But the new box is UHD-heavy and no one will buy it because of an app that isn’t on the TV. Does the box actually have new apps? Question to the hard-working testers (and thanks for your cooperation)

Well, if it wasn’t so expensive… I’d get it just because of VLC. Because VLC plays EVERYTHING… the media player on my Xbox can’t do that yet. I like this player and use it on all my devices. (Yes, the new app is probably only for the UHD box)

@“x”#138 And even if the competition didn’t put pressure on it, the price of the box probably wouldn’t change much today. ^^

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Then I would do a price comparison and read up on other things, because if I’m already reading Monopol, you seem to be a few years behind. The competition must not be doing something right somewhere, because they are definitely cheaper. Only in the last few months Swisscom has had more TV customers than Cablecom, which has had the dominant position for the last few decades. If a TV monopoly, then one with quality, because when it comes to internet bandwidth and price, SC is far behind (if you read the postings and also the needs (in terms of internet). Only the customers still seem to end up with Swisscom.

So these are NEW CUSTOMERS who, despite the higher price (if you take everything into account depending on the situation, you can get cheaper with SC), who have changed in the last few years. So no people who are too lazy to switch or people who only take the cheapest one. For me that means that the competition has UNFORTUNATELY not gotten any better. This can change and then Swisscom will have to follow suit.

And as I said, many people would complain if the box were cheaper. It will regulate itself, but the UHD TVs initially cost 10,000 - 20,000 francs and now you can get them for less than 500.–

And now for the technical side - what does the VLC player do for you with SC-TV, I only know it on the PC side? And don’t both boxes access the same apps?

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@oldiesbutgoldies wrote:

…And now for the technical side - what does the VLC player do for you with SC-TV, I only know it on the PC side? And don’t both boxes access the same apps?

With the VLC player it is possible to stream directly from a NAS to the TV via this app. I previously had the HD box and this app wasn’t on it!

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Yes, it is like that. I have both boxes, the UHD and the HD. Unfortunately, VLC is only available on the UHD. However, it’s brilliant because it means that practically all video formats can be read from my NAS. It’s a shame that the photos I have on the NAS can’t be displayed. At the moment I have to display photos using the DLNA service on the Samsung TV, which looks great with 4k resolution but is a bit complicated.

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I find the whole discussion about the price of the new TV-Box to be so superfluous, not to say or write: whinerish (Duden: [to complain about, to object to something in a grumpy, petty way](http://www.duden. de/spelling/whining#Meaning2) ).

Conclusion: Nobody needs to buy the box. Those who want or want them: are allowed to buy them. If I don’t agree with a company’s approach, I avoid the product. Or change provider. But whining for the sake of whining? There is no compulsion to buy this box.

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In principle you are right @tolyviva

Unfortunately, anyone who wants to rent an additional TV-Box today also has to shell out 119.- for a UHD box because this is the only option available as an additional TV-Box.

That again is not correct IMO.

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#user63

@FlySmurf Order. Yes, sure, but… 119.-

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Afaik it was already discussed and the answer from “SC” according to the wording:

Anyone who orders SCTV orders an additional TV-Box right from the start. Then it’s free.

The number of customers who later order an additional box is small…

My answer was primarily about the fact that you are somehow forced to buy a box if you need an additional one later.

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#user63

Sorry, but afaik this is in the wrong menu.

You are under “Swisscom TV” > My devices > “TV-Box replace”

and not “at” an additional order.

Go to “Combined Offers” > Manage TV options…

Maybe you just don’t have enough bandwidth on your Anschluss.

And now I’m looking forward to the answer: smileywink:

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