Hobby room for online gaming & streaming 4K

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

Hobby room for online gaming & streaming 4K

Hello Swisscom Community

I have the following situation:

Apartment is on the 2nd floor under the roof. Hobby room is between ground floor and 1st floor. Is an apartment building from the 90s.

Existing hardware:

Internet Box 3 & 2 WiFi Boxes 3

I once placed a WiFi box by the front door, so I have 2-3 lines of reception in front of the main door to the hobby room. But there is another door to the hobby room. In the hobby room I also have a DSL Anschluss from Anschluss (this right-angled adapter where I connect the violet cable). The other WiFi box is further back in the apartment to cover this area.

Now my question is, what would be the best solution to have the same home network in the hobby room as upstairs in the apartment?

I temporarily created a WiFi network downstairs (without internet access) to run the Hue lamps and the Logitech Harmony One.

As mentioned in the title, it would be for online gaming and streaming in 4K with Dolby Atmos audio.

Can an electrician wire the same network for me internally so that the same signal comes from the DSL socket as upstairs in the apartment? I think I read something about a bridge in the house’s fuse box in a post here in the forum.

Powerline I heard that the newer Powerline devices also run on different circuits, is that true? Maybe that would be an option. But I don’t want to compromise on internet performance.

Thank you for reading my long post and helpful input.

Best regards

Felipe

POGO 1104 · Nov 18, 2024

@YellowOne wrote:

As mentioned in the title, it would be for online gaming and streaming in 4K with Dolby Atmos audio.

You will never achieve something satisfactory for these requirements with 2 WiFi repeaters

@YellowOne wrote:

Can an electrician wire the same network internally for me so that the same signal comes from the DSL socket as upstairs in the apartment?

An electrician will have to check this on site and he can then make you an offer. A LAN connection would of course be the most optimal solution

@YellowOne wrote:

Powerline I heard that the newer Powerline devices also run on different circuits, is that true? Maybe that would be an option. But don’t want to compromise on internet performance.

If that’s the case, then immediately forget about wifi and powerline tinkering

Werner · Nov 18, 2024

If you currently have a telephone socket in the hobby room, there is a connection between the DSL socket where the router is currently connected and the hobby room.

You can’t currently use it as a LAN because it’s a telephone cable and not an Ethernet cable.

But if you replace the telephone cable with an Ethernet installation cable and replace the sockets, you get a Super LAN connection between the router location and the hobby room, which is stable in the long term and also provides the best possible performance.

Forget all the radio repeater and even worse PowerLine ideas and have an installer put in a LAN cable for you.

The exact connection route and the costs can only be determined precisely on site.

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

Hello @POGO 1104

Ok, all clear then it’s better to have an electrician take a look at the situation on site. Am I in the right place for an electrician or do I need an IT specialist?

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

Hello @Werner

Who should I contact? An electrician or a computer scientist? And can he then turn the Anschluss in the hobby room into the Anschluss that I have upstairs in the apartment, so in short I only need an internet subscription. Because someone on the Swisscom hotline once told me that it wouldn’t be possible. But from a purely technical point of view it should be possible.

POGO 1104 · Nov 18, 2024

Any reputable electrician should be able to do this - if they have telematics knowledge. But that’s usually the case.

And yes, if you have a LAN connection from top to bottom, you don’t need an additional subscription

Werner · Nov 18, 2024

Any good electrician can install a LAN cable for you.

If you don’t have an electrician you trust, simply get two offers from installation companies in your region.

You will only need one Internet subscription, because the connection between the apartment and the hobby room will then be a purely internal Ethernet LAN connection, which is connected to the same router in the apartment and does not require a second DSL-Anschluss or a second subscription.

Werner · Nov 18, 2024

@POGO 1104

It’s OT now, but the nice thing about our temporal “duplicate answers” is that they confirm each other 🙂

PS: Anything else would have surprised me very much 🙂

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

@POGO 1104

Is it also possible to go upstairs directly from the fuse box in the basement or do you always have to go up from the router? And can you use the existing infrastructure without drilling holes? Or do you have to pull a new cable from the router? Because there is a Anschluss in the DSL hobby room.

POGO 1104 · Nov 18, 2024

@YellowOne wrote:

Is it also possible to go upstairs directly from the fuse box in the basement or do you always have to go up from the router? And can you use the existing infrastructure without drilling holes? Or do you have to pull a new cable from the router? Because there is a Anschluss in the DSL hobby room.

You can’t answer that without seeing the situation on the ground.

Ultimately, there has to be a LAN connection “somehow” from the router down to the top.

Roger G · Nov 18, 2024

@YellowOne wrote:

@POGO 1104

Is it also possible to go upstairs directly from the fuse box in the basement or do you always have to go up from the router? And can you use the existing infrastructure without drilling holes? Or do you have to pull a new cable from the router? Because there is a Anschluss in the DSL hobby room.

Only if you take a second Anschluss with a second subscription (if it has free terminals/cables). Anything else would cause massive disruption.

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

@“x”#234740If it’s so simple, why don’t most people do it? High costs for the electrician?

Or trouble with the landlord? And what kind of costs can I expect? I know it’s always difficult depending on the circumstances. But roughly speaking I’m within 500 or 1000 or even up to 5000.

YellowOne · Nov 18, 2024

@Roger G

But as soon as I have a new Anschluss, I automatically have another home network or 2 home networks. Apart from the monthly subscription costs. But I would like to stick with a home network where I can control everything, even when I’m on the go.

user109 · Nov 18, 2024

@YellowOne more in the range of up to 500-1000 CHF from my many years of experience.

But you can only tell for sure on site.

Roger G · Nov 18, 2024

@YellowOne wrote:

@Roger G

But as soon as I have a new Anschluss, I automatically have another home network or 2 home networks. Apart from the monthly subscription costs. But I would like to stick with a home network where I can control everything, even when I’m on the go.

Exactly, that’s why the DSL Anschluss is useless in the hobby room. In the past you could make a bridge over the telephone Anschluss and lead it into the hobby room so that you could also make telephone calls from there.

Werner · Nov 18, 2024

Based on the problem from @YellowOne, this is not about putting the DSL-Anschluss into operation in the hobby room, but about the installation pipe in the hobby room for an additional Ethernet LAN cable as a connection to the router in the apartment to use.

If the hobby room has always been permanently assigned to the apartment, it may well be that the telephone connection in the hobby room is already attached to the apartment as a second socket, but if not, the telephone installation pipes from the apartment and the hobby room will meet in the UP of the house at the latest and then, in addition to the existing telephone cables, you can loop an additional LAN cable from one telephone installation pipe into the other telephone installation pipe.

Of course, you can only judge directly on site which pipes are actually there, whether there is space in them and what the optimal route for the LAN cable is overall.

Normally the telephone pipes are the easiest way to subsequently pull in LAN cables up to a distance of 100 meters, but if it doesn’t work via the telephone pipes, cable TV or electricity pipes can also be used if necessary.

PS: By the way, my own electrician always claims that the room into which he actually cannot bring an additional LAN connection still has to be invented first 🙂

YellowOne · Nov 20, 2024

@Werner

Thanks for your helpful input.

An electrician will come by tomorrow and take a look at the situation to see if it is possible. And if it were possible, which I hope. What category of Lan cable would you recommend?

Cat. 6a or possibly directly to Cat. 8 go? If you want to be prepared for the future right away? Although I don’t have any fiber optics here on Anschluss 😅

And what else should I pay attention to with the cable? shielding etc.

POGO 1104 · Nov 20, 2024

@YellowOne wrote:

Cat. 6a or possibly directly to Cat. 8 go? If you want to be prepared for the future right away? Although I don’t have any fiber optics here on Anschluss 😅

The electrician should know what needs to be installed.

Nowadays, Cat 7(A) installation cable is used as standard.

Cat 6A 10Gbit is already suitable

You mean Cat 8 more as fun, right? 😉

Like this:

[https://www.brack.ch/daetwyler-it-infra-verlegekabel-cu-7002-4p-cat-7-1100113](https://www.brack.ch/daetwyler-it-infra-verlegekabel- cu-7002-4p-cat-7-1100113)