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@Prime2k wrote:

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Actually, it’s a mess with XGS-PON. The case that 32 users order 1Gbit will CERTAINLY occur. And then it says again, we don’t guarantee bandwidth. But for the ISP, the hardware is of course much cheaper.

Greetings

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@Prime2k

It makes no difference whether the 32 users share the 10 Gbps bandwidth right on your doorstep or at the headquarters. The bandwidth is always shared. The bandwidth of a backbone is always several times lower than the sum of all access bandwidths. This is the case with all providers around the world.

Hi guys, I’ve now found out that Sunrise is running on my Swisscom network and that’s why I need the Swisscom settings for a custom router. Unfortunately it doesn’t work for me. DHCP with VPN 10 set, link there but no IP address is assigned.

Anyone have a solution for this? Unfortunately I can’t reach Tux0ne.

@Prime2k please open a new thread for the Sunnrise FTTH settings, there is nothing left “When will 10 Gbit/s come?” to do, thank you

This is what I found on the internet for FTTH SUNRISE:

VLAN 10
Hostname (option 12): sunrise
DHCP Client ID (Option 61): dslforum.org
DHCP Class ID (Option 60): Fast5360-sunrise
DHCP client option: left blank
MAC address: Enter the MAC address of my original Sunrise Internet box here.

maybe it will help you.

Small note: VPN has nothing to do with VLAN.

[https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/ProductRating/funktioniert-auch-mit-einem-sunrise-abo-glasfarben-und-das-ohne-die-sunrisebox-484129] (https://www.galaxus.ch/de/s1/ProductRating/funktioniert-auch-mit-einem-sunrise-abo-glasfarben-und-das-ohne-die-sunrisebox-484129)

[https://community.ui.com/questions/EdgeRouter-setup-for-Swiss-FTTH-providers/822977aa-88ec-4ff1-a75a-6b313d6e1f10?page=6] (https://community.ui.com/questions/EdgeRouter-setup-for-Swiss-FTTH-providers/822977aa-88ec-4ff1-a75a-6b313d6e1f10?page=6)

http://www.cablemodem.ch/cableforum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10212&start=30

Evening, I meant vlan sorry😂. Unfortunately, the information about Swisscombox is of no use to me as I am a Sunrise customer. Do you have it running like that for you?

@Prime2k am a Swisscom customer and not Sunrise (it’s also a Swisscom forum), try it out with the last information from my thread, there is no information for Swisscombox!!!

According to Galaxus, this is how it should work. Link from fiber module Does it work?

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@Prime2k wrote:

Evening, I meant vlan sorry😂. Unfortunately, the information about Swisscombox is of no use to me as I am a Sunrise customer.

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I would ask in the Sunrise Forum - or their hotline.

I think there are more Sunrise “specialists” there than here…

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@POGO 1104 wrote:

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@Prime2k wrote:

Evening, I meant vlan sorry😂. Unfortunately, the information about Swisscombox is of no use to me as I am a Sunrise customer.

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I would ask in the Sunrise Forum - or their hotline.

I think there are more Sunrise “specialists” there than here…..

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@POGO 1104 he’ll bite on granite, as with Swisscom it’s 3rd party.

Hi, thanks for the quick answers. I’ve already called 2nd level support from Sunrise. They don’t officially release anything.

But I don’t understand it anyway. Technically speaking, I’m on the Swisscom fiber optic network. Why should I connect to Sunrise data then? It probably worked for the Galaxus guy, but in my opinion it doesn’t make sense.

Or am I completely misunderstanding something?

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@Prime2k wrote:

…Why should I connect to Sunrise data then? It probably worked for the Galaxus guy, but in my opinion it doesn’t make sense.

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The Swisscom infrastructure is just the “neutral” transport medium between your router and the Sunrise counterpart. As an SR customer, you have to get into their network somewhere. And for this you need the correct login details.

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@Prime2k wrote:

…I’ve already called 2nd level support from Sunrise. They don’t officially release anything.

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Then you’re probably with the wrong provider 🤷‍♂️

10 gbit is now available

You can check at www.swisscom.ch/checker.

I’m not offered 10 Gbit. And according to the Swisscom employee, probably not in the next 6 months either. Well, at least we have 1 Gbit 😄

You can be happy with 1 gig, I have 0.1 gig with the prospect of max. 0.5 gig in a few years.

What exactly does the transition to 10 Gbit/s look like? How long does this take and are there any restrictions for multi-family buildings (e.g. the conversion has to be done per line/building)? Are there any additional costs?

Hello everyone.

First a “half” answer and then some questions from me.

Thirith: I don’t know exactly what it looks like structurally. As a customer, I experienced it 2 weeks ago that I previously had a 1Gbit/s subscription and was informed in Kundencenter about the option to upgrade/switch to 10Gbit/s. After about 1 week I received the Internet Box 3 (free) and the Anschluss was interrupted for half a day. I would also be interested in how and where this was replugged, since I still use the Anschluss 2 on the OTO. (Probably plugged in at the nearest data center/Swisscom headquarters) - but then 2 main lines would have to be run to my apartment building, one with a line for the new XGS PON technology, and one with several FTTH lines? Or do such splits still happen in distribution boxes in neighborhoods?

Again about FTTH and XGS PON, even if the super users are slowly going crazy with these discussions. I only learned about the techniques now that I have XGS PON 10 Gbit/s. The fear of wanting to share this with 32 participants was discussed several times. Nevertheless: Let’s assume that all 32 participants start huge, multiple downloads, does the splitter distribute the power fairly? So if 31 are already using bandwidth like crazy and I join them, will the speed of the others decrease, or will my bandwidth languish in the Mbit/s range until some capacity is freed up again? In retrospect, I also have some concerns as to whether I wouldn’t be happier with my own 1Gbit/s line with FTTH technology? I understand that performance bottlenecks can also arise if all users use too much bandwidth…

Edit: And yes, of course, I only have 2 or 3 devices on the box that only have 1Gbit/s network cards and I rarely use full power, or only for seconds…

What happens next with the two techniques? For example, is there both in Zurich, or in the longer term only XGS PON?

Something completely different: With XGS PON the signal goes encrypted (somewhere it said AES encrypted) to all 32 OTO sockets. How safe is that? Because of course, reading/scanning/recording up to 10Gbit/s of data and then decrypting it seems extremely unlikely. At least today… But what if an error/security gap is suddenly discovered in the encryption (e.g. always the same encryption and at some point someone finds out the key…). Or in 5 years you will suddenly find little boxes in China that you can attach to the OTO, where everything will be recorded automatically and the key will be calculated/found out with Cloud Power…?

In addition to this dream of the future: I have just made myself popular in another thread because I switch off my Internet Box 3 at night. (Why why can’t be discussed here, unless someone really likes it). But how safe is it these days with Internet Box 3, IPV6, the box’s firewall and Windows 10 if you have the box and computer switched on non-stop? I assume that you or your own IP would have to be targeted in order to have possible hacker attacks? Otherwise everything should be secure if you don’t negligently open ports yourself or tinker with the firewall too much?

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@Chainsaw wrote:

Hello everyone.

First a “half” answer and then some questions from me.

Thirith: I don’t know exactly what it looks like structurally either. As a customer, I experienced it 2 weeks ago that I previously had a 1Gbit/s subscription and was informed in Kundencenter about the option to upgrade/switch to 10Gbit/s. After about 1 week I received the Internet Box 3 (free) and the Anschluss was interrupted for half a day. I would also be interested in how and where this was replugged, since I still use the Anschluss 2 on the OTO. (Probably plugged in at the nearest data center/Swisscom headquarters) - but then 2 main lines would have to be run to my apartment building, one with a line for the new XGS PON technology, and one with several FTTH lines? Or do such splits still happen in distribution boxes in neighborhoods?

Answer:

At the moment only FTTH connections are being converted to XGS PON technology. The splitter (1 fiber with 32 optically spliced ​​fiber connections) is located in the control center in the OMDF rack (fiber connection distributor to the BEB -> OTO socket customer. It is possible to switch back to FTTH at any time. A different BK cable (breakout Cable) is switched to the customer’s Anschluss The same fiber optic cable is used regardless of whether it is FTTH or XGS PON,

With Mcan (FTTB/FTTC) only XGS PON technology is possible.

Again about FTTH and XGS PON, even if the super users are slowly going crazy with these discussions. I only learned about the techniques now that I have XGS PON 10 Gbit/s. The fear of wanting to share this with 32 participants was discussed several times. Nevertheless: Let’s assume that all 32 participants start huge, multiple downloads, does the splitter distribute the power fairly? So if 31 are already using bandwidth like crazy and I join them, will the speed of the others decrease, or will my bandwidth languish in the Mbit/s range until some capacity is freed up again? In retrospect, I also have some concerns as to whether I wouldn’t be happier with my own 1Gbit/s line with FTTH technology? I understand that performance bottlenecks can also arise if all users use too much bandwidth…

Edit: And yes, of course, I only have 2 or 3 devices on the box that only have 1Gbit/s network cards and I rarely use full power, or only for seconds…

Answer:

First come first serve. The same principle as on copper, the provider makes a mixed calculation and, based on his experience, accepts overbooking of the Internet connections and determines his backbone connection capacity accordingly.

e.g. Xb/s on 255 VDSL connections (full expansion) on a DSLAM (PUS (Swisscom name) street distributor can contain up to 2 DSLAMS).

There are very few users who use the full connection power for >20 minutes or longer at a time.

What happens next with the two techniques? For example, is there both in Zurich, or in the longer term only XGS PON?

Answer:

In the long term, XGS PON costs per port are cheaper than FTTH.

Something completely different: With XGS PON the signal goes encrypted (somewhere it said AES encrypted) to all 32 OTO sockets. How safe is that? Because of course, reading/scanning/recording up to 10Gbit/s of data and then decrypting it seems extremely unlikely. At least today… But what if an error/security gap is suddenly discovered in the encryption (e.g. always the same encryption and at some point someone finds out the key…). Or in 5 years you will suddenly find little boxes in China that you can attach to the OTO, where everything will be recorded automatically and the key will be calculated/found out with Cloud Power…?

Answer:

If security gaps are discovered, they will be fixed promptly. This applies to the FW (OLT/router) and encryption. (ONT)

I think that in certain periods the encryption keys will be changed or increased to 256 bits if the encryption becomes too weak.

In addition to this dream of the future: I’ve just made myself popular in another thread because I switch off my Internet Box 3 at night. (Why why can’t be discussed here, unless someone really likes it). But how safe is it these days with Internet Box 3, IPV6, the box’s firewall and Windows 10 if you have the box and computer switched on non-stop? I assume that you or your own IP would have to be targeted in order to have possible hacker attacks? Otherwise everything should be secure if you don’t negligently open ports yourself or tinker with the firewall too much?

Answer:

That’s exactly how it is. Before a firmware for the router is published, it runs a pen test for possible vulnerabilities. I think paranoia about a hacker attack when the router is online 24/7 on a private Anschluss is unfounded. Unless I’m a company where there’s a lot to gain for the attacker or I’m interesting to the world’s secret services. But then I protect myself from an attack using completely different methods than constantly switching the router on and off.😁

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@Chainsaw

user109 All I can really say is thank you for your interesting answers. Let’s see what happens next with the rapidly growing technology. (As a 40+ year old, I’ve experienced a lot…)

@Chainsaw you’re welcome.

Hello everyone,

Is there an update to the settings?

I’m trying to put the Sunrise 10G Anschluss into operation on a Zyxcel AX7501. Unfortunately, the FW doesn’t allow some things:

- Option 61 only allows one hex value, I can’t enter anything here

- Mac address of the original Sunrise box cannot be entered (Does Sunrise have a Mac lock?)

I tried the following configs:

- VLAN 10, 60 or 131

- Option 60 “dslforum.org,Fast5360-sunrise”

Thank you in advance for a few pointers