Interesting report on bakom.admin.ch %20hochbreitband.pdf.download.pdf/WIK-bericht%20Hochbreitband_final.pdf) on broadband expansion in Switzerland:
"WIK-Consult report
Study for the Federal Office of Communications
“Modeling the costs of a comprehensive high-broadband network in Switzerland”
Including calculations regarding profitability.
@Anonymous Swisscom is intentionally expanding copper.
1. Doesn’t have to create new access to the house and inside the house and doesn’t have to deal with the homeowner. (Huge cost savings). In addition, only 10% of customers use a fiber optic connection that has one available. As long as copper cables can be used to their maximum speed, FTTH will no longer be expanded.
2. The DSLAM’s/CAN’s are being built closer and closer to the customer, so that it is no longer worthwhile for third-party providers to build their own networks. This prevents exclusive or innovative products from being created for customers.
3. Requirement of third-party providers: You must use Swisscom’s wholesale service in order to be able to offer your products to customers. (3. Provider depends on the infrastructure ((expansion) of Swisscom)).
Interesting report, but probably without influence on the ongoing revision in Parliament.
State regulation would actually do well to give preference to the halting FTTH expansion with free network access for all competitors.
The most sustainable option for customers and also with the most potential for the future would certainly be FTTH in all densely populated areas.
Unfortunately, as always, the lobbying of the duopoly of Swisscom and the large cable network providers will probably prevail in parliament and everything will remain, as usual, with a suboptimal patchwork that protects the interests of the large providers.
Presumably it will only be possible to break through the Gordian lobbying node of provider interests that optimize profits even in basic infrastructure if one day broadband connection is legally defined as a real public service, analogous to electricity and water supply.
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You can just delete “densely populated”. “90% of the apartments in all communities” fits better, otherwise the definition of “densely populated” will be argued
In the large canton the train travels in a different direction:
Counties want fiber optic broadband expansion consistently into the home
Broadband expansion: fiber optic instead of copper
I just think it’s a shame that as a customer you can’t say I would like an FTTH and cover the costs myself. When I look at the individual costs per customer in this report, I would very much like to do it myself, but you don’t have the option.
As a customer you are simply dependent on Swisscom or UPC/Quickline and they only do the very least everywhere and then boast about how much you are investing in the expansion and what you are not doing. As a very interested customer, I don’t notice much of it until recently For a few years the speeds have doubled every year, but neither Swisscom nor UPC have done anything in this area in the last 3 years apart from a minimal increase and mostly with the smallest subscriptions, not with the top customers, but You talk about new technologies etc. at every opportunity. It should be clear to everyone that we are certainly in the minority, but I still expect a little more flexibility from the providers. After all, expanding FTTH is a project lasting 30-50 years, as was the case with copper. Depending on developments, much longer. That’s why I don’t understand this fussing over costs. Expanding 2-3 times until you get to FTTH will definitely cost more than doing it all in one go. If 2-3 large cities had been connected every year since 2008, significantly more would have been connected today, but no, after the top 5 cities it was over and you have to be content with FTTS etc. But of course you have to pay the same as the customer in Zurich with 1Gbit in both directions . This is what is called fair pricing. But of course, as long as everyone does it like that, nothing will change.
If someone were to jump over the shadows and do something for the top users, they could certainly win a lot of customers, especially since we would be happy to pay a little more if the service is good. But no one seems to care.
It’s not as easy as you see it and it’s not just the providers that matter!
[http://www.glasfibronetz-schweiz.ch/Aktuelles/News/Ausbau Dynamics-riskdet.aspx](http://www.glasfibronetz-schweiz.ch/Aktuelles/News/Ausbaudynamics- dangerdet.aspx)
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@WalterB wrote:
It’s not as easy as you see it and the providers aren’t the only deciding factor!
[http://www.glasfibronetz-schweiz.ch/Aktuelles/News/Ausbau Dynamics-riskdet.aspx](http://www.glasfibronetz-schweiz.ch/Aktuelles/News/Ausbaudynamics- dangerdet.aspx)
That’s bullshit, sorry…each provider only looks for itself and only invests where it’s worth it for you, which is 90% only in the big cities. I don’t see anything at risk because it won’t change anything.
The cable providers always boast that they provide the same performance everywhere, even in the countryside. My experience is that for 2.5 years I didn’t even receive 20% of the service at peak times because the Anschluss was so massively overbooked. It was only after legal protection was activated that the Anschluss was expanded and I retroactively received 50% of the subscription costs, but I still get it today I only do about 70% in the evenings and I don’t even live far away. The providers are all making a killing and ripping off our customers wherever they can. If you then read that an expansion should only cost EUR 50-100 per customer and you don’t manage to implement it, but at the same time you increase the subscription costs and simply withhold the VAT (with 1.2 million customers and a few centimes per customer, everyone can calculate for themselves ), etc.
Why can’t they get together to build a decent network and everyone makes their own offers and the customer can choose where they want to get their subscription? Or then you should do it that way and expand the ones you want and they are happy to pay more than 90 per month. Those that don’t need it can be left on copper. When I read that only about 15% of them could actually have booked an FTTH Anschluss, I really wonder why a big city is completely expanded and others who want one are left behind. You can also sign long-term contracts like with cell phone subscriptions, for example. You build a Anschluss if I commit to paying you a subscription of, say, 200 per month for 3 years. I’m happy and have an FTTH and have to pay this Betrag for 3 years, so the provider has a good Betrag of his costs back in 3 years and can continue to benefit from this Anschluss for the next 50 years, etc. I have lots of ideas. Nobody should tell me that it is too expensive. A Swisscom makes billions in profits every year and all other providers often make 2-3 digit millions. You just try to squeeze the lemon for as long as you can and as long as 80% of the customers are satisfied, the rest don’t care at all.
Oh, it doesn’t matter, it’s no use anyway, I probably won’t have 1gbit in both directions before 2025, if at all, and then others will probably have already reached 5-10gbit. I’m curious to see what’s happening in Germany, I think they’ve gotten it and are giving it a lot more gas in this area. If they do it the way you read, they’ll have overtaken us in 2-3 years.
@fabian86 wrote:
Well, so far I haven’t found any relatives/acquaintances in the checker that g.fast is supposed to come…
With us g.fast will be bookable in April. Probably 500/120. It’s a shame it’s not possible to offer 300/300, it would suit me much better. I’ve tried everything to get an FTTH, but nobody is really willing to do anything about it, it’s better to tear up the road again in a few years.
@Thomy22: Well, if that’s your opinion… why don’t you become a provider yourself if you can get really rich there…?
Anyway, you can look at it however you want.
But IMHO you’re wrong with the Germany comparison, they’ve screwed it up so badly, it couldn’t be worse.
Today you get _guaranteed_ 64Kb/s (ISDN, payable per minute) in Germany. In Switzerland it is 3Mb/s, even in the smallest village.
I’ll bet you a nice dinner that Germany will NOT overtake us in the next 3 years.
See you at the beginning of 2021 🙂
Greeting
NotNormal
5G seems to be quite interesting for future bonding - although I would prefer FTTH or FTTS with g.fast because there is definitely less radiation in the air….
But since FTTH and FTTS are moving further into the distance “thanks” to the current, more bad than good 4G bonding, I still hope for “soon” 5G bonding…..
….keep on rockin'
@POGO 1104 Telekom plans to use G5 for the last mile to the customer.
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@POGO 1104 I just mean that as an example, because Swisscom also likes to look outside the box at what our neighbors are up to.
