Swisscom vs Cablecom vs ???

Hello everyone,

We’re moving soon, I’m evaluating whether there is a better (and/or cheaper) solution for us in our new place of residence.

Currently (for 7 years) we have an SC package with Internet S, TV M and telephone L.

At the new location, SC “only” has 250/50 internet, while Cablecom would have 1000/100.

Personally, I’m not a fan of Cablecom, at least we used to have Cablecom for a while, then switched to SC. The current previous tenant raves about Cablecom, especially saying that there is nothing better in terms of price.

Our requirements are:

TV: a few channels are enough (ARTE, Kika, SRF1+2, ARD, ZDF, occasionally SAT1, RTL, Pro7,…). 7 days of replay, skip ads and cloud recording (100h)

Internet: 100 mbit upload would be better than 50, but overall I don’t need a 1000 download speed. 100 would probably still be enough

Telephone: this is the sticking point at the moment, the question is whether you still need a landline as such. We now make a lot of phone calls to friends/family abroad via WhatsApp, as calls to Switzerland are still expensive for them. This also has the practical effect that I can then make calls while cooking, for example, or on the way to/from work (both with a headset), which is not possible with our Dect phones. As far as I’m concerned, there’s no need for a landline, just how can we all stay reachable at home (2 adults, 2 children). Is there still a way to be reachable at home on your cell phone via some kind of landline number? You can’t reach everyone via WhatsApp, then a landline would be practical, or you call from your cell phone, then you need an expensive subscription for EU-wide calls… then the whole thing times 4, for each of us????

We have so far paid 125 Fr / month for the complete package at SC.

If you change provider you could still benefit from a 50% discount for 2 years.

Alternatively, there are other providers such as Sunrise, iWay, etc.

Has anyone had similar thoughts?

Thanks and greetings

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Since everyone has a different starting point and needs, it is very difficult to judge from the outside.

Let’s just take the example with the EU talks “needs an expensive subscription for EU-wide calls… then the whole thing times 4, for each of us????”

The crucial question here is how many such conversations (including duration) the family has per year and how much you save if you have a subscription that doesn’t include it. If you know this, a simple rule of three calculation provides the answer to which subscription is cheaper.

And as far as the providers are concerned, you will find enough people who are enthusiastic about each provider as well as those who would steer clear of the same provider.

It is best if you create a precise usage profile and specifications and then compare it with the various offers. However, since the market is constantly moving, things can look different again in just a few months. Sometimes it can also make sense not to get all services from the same provider.

And if you want to benefit maximally from the promos, you have to change your provider every 2 years.

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@hed the whole thing is constantly changing, the number is difficult to predict, and I also don’t know how many of the people I know will have a new WhatsApp account in the future and how many will do without WhatsApp. I think you can also make phone calls with signal…

When it came to the telephone, I was more interested in being shown alternatives; SIP calling, for example, came to mind spontaneously. And yes, you are right, you can also get different services from different providers. As I said, I’ve been quite spoiled by the SC subscription in recent years. I wouldn’t change just because of 10 Fr. That would have to be much more financially attractive and ideally bring me even more advantages (e.g. higher speed).

I also don’t know what Cablecom’s comfort level is like with TV…does anyone here have a direct comparison?

Yes, I’m trying to find out more, it’s not easy because you’re only given the advantages, no one talks about the disadvantages 🙂

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@aga_peter

Take a closer look at the Wingo offer.

For what you need 60 CHF/month and no minimum contract period, i.e. you can leave at any time with 2 months’ notice or benefit from new future Wingo promos (unlike the Swisscom premium product, the Swisscom discount product is an existing customer not excluded from your own promos)

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Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche Abhängigkeiten zur Swisscom

@Werner thanks for the tip! Sounds very interesting. And I would have a landline for free 🙂, at least you can make calls, but how much you call out is up to you. And yes, 60 CHF is really cheap.

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Another question, do you still pay cable fees for UPC TV with UPC? When I switched from UPC to Swisscom in the summer of 2018, I was waived 25 CHF/month of the additional costs on my rent, and you have to take that into account too.

@aga_peter is the phone L worth it for you? I also make phone calls from landlines to the EU from time to time and all in all for several hours, with a cheap tariff for 3 cents per minute. I am not aware of the difference between the most expensive and second most expensive subscriptions (20 CHF difference SC and 15 CHF difference UPC). Of course, that depends on how much you make calls, but for me the Telephone L subscription isn’t worth it at all. However, I don’t make phone calls to the USA. I was quite satisfied with the internet from the competition, but not with the TV, which is why I switched, but that has to do with the range of channels, which, from what I’ve seen, isn’t that relevant for you. I also didn’t find the customer service at UPC to be particularly impressive (a second reason for the change).

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Agus fágaimíd siúd mar atá sé

I quickly noticed 2 disadvantages:

- Only telephone 1 line is allowed (with Swisscom 2), but that’s tolerable

- Internet box cannot be reached via IP address and can be configured to a very limited extent, i.e. the transmission power, WLAN times, etc. cannot be configured.

Yes, you can easily configure your Wingo Internet Box by going into your myWingo go to the “My Internet connection” section. However, it is not possible to reach your Internet Box directly via its IP address.

The following configurations of the settings are possible:

  • Change the WiFi network name and password (Forgot password?)
  • Automatic or manual frequency range selection
  • WiFi channel change

Don’t forget to save your changes by clicking “Save”. If you are an experienced user and want to configure your device yourself, we also offer you the following advanced settings:

  • Port forwarding
  • DMZ function
  • Static IP address
  • IPv6
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To ensure a future-proof Internet connection, landline telephony and TV services should be obtained as independently as possible from the Internet connection provider (ISP). So neither from Swisscom nor from UPC-Sunrise. See for more information:

[https://community.upc.ch/d/5596-dns-server-nach-update-deaktiviert/10](https://community.upc.ch/d/5596-dns-server-nach-update- deactivated/10)

Specifically:

TV: IPTV from an IPTV provider such as: Teleboy, Zattoo or Wilmaa. A modern television supports at least one of the IPTV providers mentioned directly via an app on the television. This would eliminate the need for Apple TV-Box.

[https://blog.meugster.net/2019/ Fernsehen-am-apple-tv-4-teleboy-wilmaa-und-zattoo-im-vergleich/](https://blog.meugster.net/2019/ Fernsehen -am-apple-tv-4-teleboy-wilmaa-and-zattoo-in-comparison/)

Landline telephony: VoIP voice telephony from a Swiss VoIP provider such as: IWay, Peoplefone.

https://www.iway.ch/telefonie/angebote-fuer-private/

In order to reduce the costs of voice telephony abroad, modern VoIP voice telephony should be used. There are enough solutions to make voice telephony from home to a foreign house free of charge. Some examples:

- VoIP-capable app on the smartphone (for example: Android app Linphone) with the VoIP provider DUS.net or with a VoIP provider of your own choice, which offers provider-internal VoIP voice telephony free of charge.

- VoIP-capable and cordless telephone GigaSet E630A GO via Gigaset.net or via your own, self-built, in-house “telephone exchange” or VoIP provider infrastructure. For example: Raspberry Pi with Kamailio and VPN tunnels.

https://www.gigaset.com/de_de/cms/lp/gigaset-go.html

[https://www.gigaset.com/de\_de/cms/home/kundenservice/privatkunden/gigasetnet.html](https://www.gigaset.com/de_de/cms/home/kundenservice/privatkunden/gigasetnet. html)

Important: The VoIP solution mentioned must be available in both private households.

To use Kamailio on a Raspberry Pi, please see the instructions below:

[https://www.lancom-forum.de/fragen-zur-lancom-systems-routern-und-gateways-f41/vdsl-umzug-glasfarben-neuer-router-t17926.html#p101750] (https://www.lancom-forum.de/fragen-zur-lancom-systems-routern-und-gateways-f41/vdsl-umzug-glasfarben-neuer-router-t17926.html#p101750)

be taken into account.

Please note the information on in-house mobile communications and voice telephony via WLAN/WiFi (also note page 2!):

[https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Mobile/Handy-Empfang-im-Minergiehaus-besser/m-p/569594](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Mobile/Handy-Empfang-im- Minergie house-bad/m-p/569594)

And yes, modern cordless telephones (DECT) also support headsets.

When it comes to mobile communications, it should be mentioned that prepaid solutions are practically always cheaper than a subscription.

https://www.moneyland.ch/de/handy-prepaid-studie-2021

https://www.dschungelkompass.ch/mobile/tarife/prepaid_tarife.xhtml

https://www.moneyland.ch/de/mobile/index

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@GrandDixence

Basically you are right, but not all customers want to travel with x different providers and manage their services in x different portals/customer centers.

This is exactly why I only use one provider and enjoy the convenience of having an overview of all Telco services in one Kundencenter and being able to manage them. Yes, I know, this convenience comes with many disadvantages and high costs, but less hassle and more free time. You can’t have everything…

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@aga_peter wrote:

I quickly noticed 2 disadvantages:

- Only telephone 1 line is allowed (with Swisscom 2), but that’s tolerable

- Internet box cannot be reached via IP address and can be configured to a very limited extent, i.e. the transmission power, WLAN times, etc. cannot be configured.


You are free to use your own router with your requirements…

You then have to take care of the selection and configuration yourself - you have to decide for yourself whether the lower price compared to Swisscom is worth it to you…

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….keep on rockin' 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼