Max. distance from the socket to the Internet Box 3

  • What is the maximum length of the DSL cable from the socket to the Internet Box 3?

    I ask this because the socket and the optimal place for the Internet Box 3 are apart.

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    @Macro09 optimal: as short as possible.

    The X-DSL cables are available in 3 different lengths:

    1.8m*, 4m*, 10m.

    * optimal

    It’s like a garden hose, the longer it is, the less pressure on the line.

    The longer the X-DSL cable, the less speed > possible disruptions.

    Ethernet cable max. 100 m

    X-DSL cable max. 10m

    Better option: Move your telephone socket and use a BBR socket.

    [https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Heimvernetzung-WLAN/BBR-Installation-U72/td-p/801479](https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/Heimvernetzung-WLAN/BBR-Installation- U72/td-p/801479)

    It is better to lay the Ethernet cable with a WLAN-Box on it.

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    Then the question is whether extending the route BEFORE the router is a good idea. The decisive factor is always what distances we are talking about here.

    Especially with g.Fast the speed of the line decreases disproportionately with length, see orange curve here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/supervectoring-explained-brandon-doyle - The decisive factor here is the distance from the mCAN to the router*. I would therefore place the router close to the UP and then do the in-house distribution via network cable. This way no speed is lost.

    Example constellation: The router is somewhere close to the UP socket, from there it goes to a switch and then distributed throughout the entire apartment (with network sockets in all rooms or via WLAN boxes).

    *By the way, this is also the reason for deviations between checker and reality. Swisscom knows the cable lengths up to the UP. But if there is an exaggerated 200m of high-rise in-house installation behind it, this is not included in the calculation…

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    Ich bin ein als Privatkunde getarnter Swisscom-Mitarbeiter im Bereich Service Continuity.

    Everything @StefanSch wrote was perfect.

    As an information: When calculating the speed, we always include 30m of in-house cabling between the UP and the router. This is a CH average, which has been determined from the various MELT measurements (analog history, which can be used to measure electrical length) over the years. In addition, we round down the speed, which is why the information in the checker is rather conservative (in 85% of the lines it is exactly correct).

    And with g.Fast (19.4 - 106MHz) you can actually calculate the loss from this 30m linearly to the length. As a general rule, I would say that for every meter of cable length you waste 1 mbps of performance in the DS. The lower the line quality (in-house, between UP and mCAN), the steeper the line for the drop in performance, but this simple calculation works well.

    With VDSL/Vectoring (2.2 - 17MHz) the drop in performance is significantly lower, around 1mbps over 20m. But here too, of course, it always depends on the cable quality and, above all, the in-house cabling. The most common causes of poor speed are still BridgedTaps and corroded connections (UP, sockets).

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    Roger G.
    Swisscom (Schweiz) AG, Product Manager Wireline Access