Swisscom goes address book fraud

The fact that Swisscom sometimes displays rather dubious behavior is anything but new to me, but [this is really bad](https://www.beobachter.ch/verbrauch/verbrauchentenschutz/swiss-list-localsearch -changes-the-contract-without-asking.

The 100% Swisscom subsidiary “Localsearch” is thus imitating the scam of the long-notorious address book fraudsters 1:1.

Targetedly sending fake reminders for contracts that were never concluded… sorry, but that’s a low point even by Swisscom standards…

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I came across this because an angry customer called me. She has been trying to reach Localsearch by phone for days, but no one ever answers the phone. What a miracle. That’s why she got to me, because (according to her mistaken opinion) I definitely have some connections to Swisscom…

Original tone customer: “Yes, I also thought of an address book fraud. But it has the local search logo on it - and it says Swisscom on the payment slip!”

Embarrassing for any company that wants to maintain a semblance of respectability. Even more so if it is a semi-state-owned company.

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5 days later

Hello @cslu @Tomcat

We forwarded the request to our colleagues at localsearch to check if there was an error. But I can assure you that there will be no address book fraud.

Tip: Since we don’t have the necessary information for such a request, it is best to place it on localsearch. This means they can be solved more quickly.

Thank you for your patience and kind regards
IvanH

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@JoelV

Well, the localsearch press spokesman has apparently already stated to the Observer (article linked in the original post) that it was not a mistake but was done deliberately.

Consequently, it is pretty much the same as what is commonly known as the address book fraud 😉

It should be clear that such practices have no place in any serious company.

Incidentally, I posted the article in the “Exchange of Experiences” section because it is of course not something that could be “solved” by any employee or other participant here in the forum.

The “solution” that would still be conceivable here would have to be prescribed by the federal government. DETEC department come, in the form of personnel consequences at the highest level… But Ms. Sommaruga already has to take care of the successor to the SBB boss. (And in my opinion also the board president of the SBB… because after she recently admitted in a newspaper interview that she was not able to buy a train ticket at the machine, she will probably be given an official guardianship rather than a board position in the future have to… but I digress ;-))

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4 years later

As the Kassenrutsch reported this week, the Swisscom subsidiary has apparently not stopped its dubious machinations since my article from 2019 but has continued cheerfully:

[https://www.srf.ch/versanden/kassenjagd-espresso/kassenjagd/swisscom-directories-unterschriftungen-in-neue-vertraege-kopiert](https://www.srf.ch/versanden/kassenjagd-espresso/ kassenrutsch/swisscom-directories-signatures-copied-into-new-contracts)

Even forging documents now seems to be part of the standard repertoire.

It’s also funny how the management tries to excuse themselves by saying that these are “isolated cases” and “black sheep”. Nobody believes that a company that sends out fake letters with the title “Payment Reminder” and then claims that they were only meant as “offers” is not systematically controlled from the very top.

Incidentally, the article about Kassenrutsch mentions that localsearch employees receive a lousy basic wage, which they then have to top up with commissions.

In other words, exactly what I have already suspected here on various occasions regarding the employees of the Swisscom shops, since, according to my diverse experiences, they also have a strong tendency to tell customers complete nonsense in order to be able to sell them new devices unnecessarily.

Maybe someone here would like to comment on whether I am correct about the commission model in the Swisscom shops. (Yeah, naive, I know.)

Oh, by the way, I can also report from my own experience: another Localsearch saleswoman called us recently. When I told her that we weren’t interested because our customers wouldn’t search for us via the online or offline address book, she said that the entries in localsearch were also important in order to appear higher on Google… for some people will probably believe that.
She then “strangely” didn’t want to delve into the topic any further when she realized that I wasn’t falling for this scam.

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@cslu

The business model is simply that of a hard seller, always close to the limit of legality and sometimes even a little beyond it…

It’s best not to sign any contracts with them at all, and if you still really want the entry, only with extreme caution.

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Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche Abhängigkeiten zur Swisscom

@Werner

Indeed.

I am still of the opinion that especially a company that is 51% owned by the Swiss Confederation should dedicate itself to “public service” and serious advice rather than “hard selling” and cheating customers.

And it certainly shouldn’t operate systematically “beyond the limits of legality.”

Of course, no company should do the latter. But certainly not our “half” state-owned company, which still enjoys a very high level of trust among the population (although it’s not entirely clear to me why).

One also wonders whether the majority shareholder is fulfilling his supervisory obligation here 😉

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@cslu wrote:

One also wonders whether the majority shareholder is fulfilling his supervisory obligation here 😉


So far, the main shareholder’s main control criterion seems to be the dividend and so far it has been very reliable.

What is still exciting as an “unexpected unique” is Swisscom’s huge register of fines for antitrust violations, but there too, there is not a single lawyer in the Verwaltungsrat, and the federal government only gets 51% of the total dividend, but 100% of the fines, so maybe so far everything is purely finance-driven and not based on exemplary compliance with Swiss law and the pursuit of political-strategic “Swiss goals” obligated.

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Hobby-Nerd ohne wirtschaftliche Abhängigkeiten zur Swisscom

    Werner

    I received an email from Swisscom yesterday:

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    Good day…
    Signing should be easier.
    Why is signing and sending contracts and other important documents still so cumbersome? Thanks to Swisscom Sign, you can do it conveniently electronically.

    Simple, secure and legally binding.

    But I just saw the linked Kassenbruch article shortly before. And it is explained that they obviously do not shy away from forging signatures. And now the possibility of using an electronic signature is offered…

    I don’t think I’ll use it…

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    5 months later

    For shooting: localsearch aka Swisscom Directories AG, probably the largest operator of address book fraud in Switzerland (as has been well documented by consumer protection for years), warns its “valued customers” about… address book fraud!

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    They even refer to the cash register collapse in order to blacken the other address book fraud “YELO” (certainly justifiably). Particularly humorous when you consider that just a few months ago the Kassenrutsch also reported on localsearch’s scams.

    Maybe the air in the crook business is slowly getting thinner when the actors are already destroying each other 🤣

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    @cslu And now? Do you think this is kind of funny now? It is true that this company warns yelo. We also received an invoice from yelo in our company. That’s messy! I know a few other SMEs.

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    @Wonomiesch33

    Do I find something funny?

    That numerous companies (including Swisscom/localsearch) engage in address book fraud?

    I don’t find that funny at all.

    However, there is definitely a certain humor factor when, as here, one fraudster warns about the other fraudster.

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    10 months later

    Localsearch (Swisscom subsidiary) is once again in the media because of its “suspected” fraudulent activities:

    [https://www.20min.ch/story/localsearch-unter-faelschungsverdacht-kybun-chef-ertreib-vorwuerfe-103214375](https://www.20min.ch/story/localsearch-unter-faelschungsverdacht-kybun- boss-raises-accusations-103214375)

    This time you wanted to foist fake contracts on former Mister Switzerland Claudio Minder’s company. At least that’s what this one says. And due to the well-known deceptions of “Swisscom Directories AG”, there is little doubt in my mind that these allegations are again absolutely correct.

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