Switching across to 10G Swisscom from a different 1G Fibre provider. So need to replace current Unifi Security Gateway 3 with a UniFi Dream Machine Pro as gateway/router. I think I need to do the following but please can someone with experience keep me honest: 1) Purchase a Nokia XS-010X-Q (XGS-PON-Bridge) and use the Swisscom supplied cable to connect from ONT (Optical Network Terminal) to PON socket on Nokia XS-010X-Q 2) Connect Ethernet port on the Nokia XS-010X-Q (XGS-PON-Bridge) to UniFi Dream Machine Pro (UDM) using SFP+ compatible 10 Gbps Direct Attach Cable - Any recommendations? 3) Register the MAC address of the UDP on the website www.swisscom.ch/start . 4) Configure following on UDM VLAN ID 10 DHCP Option 60

You’ll need to connect Nokia to the Dream Machine using Ethernet cable (cat. 6a or better).

Perfect, that makes life easier since I’ve already the cat 6a cable in place - thanks @bitracer Do you know of any steps to get Swisscom TV working with the above setup?

This might help you: https://github.com/bprskalo/udm-blueTV

@bitracer When connecting the Nokia Bridge to Dream Machine using RJ45 cable does this mean the RJ45 Cable should be connected to the 10G SFP+ WAN Port using RJ45/ SFP+ Module such as UACC-CM-RJ45-MG? https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/ubiquiti-sfp-module-uacc-cm-rj45-mg-10525g-rj-45-copper-network-accessories-23317486?ip=RJ45+SFP%2B

With their being no place to purchase a Nokia XS-010X-Q (XGS-PON-Bridge) I am looking for alternatives (fast) - any one using or tried to use the Centro business router in passthrough mode?

There’s another model from Zyxel that can be bridged. Check out the compatibility list. It’s a bit of a waste since it also has WLAN that you won’t be using. More broad question, why do you insist on using UniFi? Wouldn’t IB4 with WLAN-Box(es) do for you?

I’ll refer to the list again. It’s quite limited and purchasing the Wi-Fi would be a waste plus risk if it were inadvertently turned on. I have an extensive lab for work which I need to have a good firewall and I’ve a lot of unifi configuration including Vlans and VPN users I need to maintain and keep.

With 1Gbps P2P you have few more options.

Hello - I moved across to Swisscom and got set up with the IB4. I currently have the 1 GBE connection but am being migrated across to 10GBE later tonight. Now I have a UDM Pro and have connected it to the ONT through a 1 GBE fiber media converter (TP-LINK MC-220L). I have configured VLAN 10 and DHCP Option 60 and cloned the MAC Address of the IB4 on to the UDM Pro. These settings seem to physically connect the UDM Pro to the Swisscom network. I go to: https://swisscom.ch/start and this eventually redirect me to: https://www.swisscom.ch/splashpage/guest/app/AccessId/en Here an Activation Code (6 digits) needs to be entered however calling Swisscom Tech Support they do not know of such a code. Any ideas on how to proceed?

It looks like your line has already been migrated to P2MP. I would suggest to attach the IB4 and configure it. You won’t be able to use the TP-LINK MC-220L anyway. Why bother trying to configure it? You should have stuck with 1Gbps line P2P if that was an option that was available at your location.

How to configure UniFi Dream Machine Pro for 10GBE Swisscom Internet

nickelnoff

I don’t reach http://192.168.18.1 from either bring plugged directly in to the Nokia neither when laptop plugged directly in to UDM.

I don’t get re-routed nor can resolve swisscom.ch/start to register.

nickelnoff

Yes!

Got there finally - I plugged the IB4 back in and then restarted everything and replugged everything and then got redirected to the SWC registration page.

Thanks @bitracer - very appreciate the assistance!

nickelnoff

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Above is the speed I’m getting with UDM Pro Traffic Identification turned OFF.

Is this typical “real world” from the Swisscom 10 Gbit/sec service or am I probably needing to tweak a setting somewhere?

bitracer

If you want to fiddle, try to see what you get with IB4. You can also try with the firewall completely disabled.

nickelnoff

Has any one any recent experience in the connection dropping regularly when running the Nokia XGS PONS bridge along with the UDM Pro.

It’s been working great since it was set up but last few days connection has started crawling - terrible upload speeds noted on Speedtest until the bridge has been power cycled.

Swisscom service apparently has reported no issues and I haven’t dug the IB4 out yet to compare performance.

Black Mamba

@nickelnoff

this discussion on Community in German may help

Zyxel AX7501-B0 nicht kompatibel mit dem SFP+ XGS-… | Swisscom Community

post #29 22.04.2023 and #25 23.03.2023

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The IB4 no longer uses SFP for XGS-PON. If the connection is still “old” and has not yet been converted, then the IB4 also needs an SFP for this. The SFPs are tested with the IB3/4 and the corresponding drivers are integrated in the software.

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Zyxel: Since I would have to reprogram the EPROM in addition to buying the SFP+ module, which is probably difficult to impossible, the router is dead for me.
Nokia: That would be an option, but then I would still have to get the IPTV to work.
That’s why I’m now looking at the IB+DMZ variant…

Addendum: DMZ works without problems, but my UDMpro is not compatible with the 2.5G connection.

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nickelnoff

@Black Mamba

My setup the Nokia XS-010X-Q with the UDM Pro on the 10 GBE Swisscom Large Service.

Weird thing is when I set it up it was working perfectly for a number of months but now the connection is up and down several times a day - it seems especially bad in the evening and weekends (not sure if this is coincidental or not).

I tried switching back to the IB4 today however no internet connection was possible and the engineer presumed that the IB4 had some how broken and requested I go and fetch a new one.

An hour later the new one was set up and I updated the Mac address spoof on the UDM WAN configuration and plugged the Nokia XS-010X-Q back in again and again I was back in business. However tonight the connection has been spotty.

Not sure what I am missing in terms of my configuration or whether I need to set up the UDM as a client of the IB4 and ditch the Nokia XS-010X-Q bridge.

bitracer

Why wouldn’t you consider switching to all Swisscom hardware?

r00t

Hi @nickelnoff

I tried switching back to the IB4 today however no internet connection was possible and the engineer presumed that the IB4 had some how broken and requested I go and fetch a new one.

I doubt that both your bridge and the internetbox both broke at the same time. Maybe the tip of the fibre got dusty while you switched between the boxes - try cleaning it:

Use a fresh, soft, lint-free cloth
Gently wipe across the end face, avoiding excessive pressure.

If the issue persists (also while using the Swisscom Hardware), let a technician check your line.

Best,

r00t

nickelnoff

Thanks @r00t - I’m not seeing behavior consistent with a bad optical connection since when it is working ok the throughput is great just the service tends to degrade periodically.

I think the problem might be due to the Nokia bridge overheating. The design of the box is a simple basic plastic box - fanless with no ventilation. I’m not a human thermometer but my estimates are the temps are pushing 70 degrees C.

I’ve placed a fan under and above the unit today and have taken the temps down. This might be helping but it too early to tell.

The SFP+ RJ45 adapter is also very hot

r00t

Hi @nickelnoff

I’ve placed a fan under and above the unit today and have taken the temps down. This might be helping but it too early to tell.

Let us know how it goes 😊.

Best,

r00t

nickelnoff

@r00t

So far so good a world of difference. No drops and general spotty behaviour.

Downloads between 3 & 4Gbps

Uploads the same even seen tests around 5 Gbps

Question is why did Nokia design such a badly cooled device when it should have been clear that some decent fans or passive cooling was needed.

bitracer

It’s a bit ridiculous having to run a device and cool it with external fans. Maybe you can replace it in warranty. Who knows, maybe a more recent hardware revision works better.

nickelnoff

Perhaps you’re correct @bitracer it def seems pretty ridiculous not. It’s a fairly new unit though bought towards when I started this thread off. I’ll see if init7 are able to swap the device out next week and I’ll report back.

Nempofleuk52

Hello everyone,

I’m also a Swisscom 10Gbit customer and have been using Ubiquiti devices for a while now. I’m planning to move to a new apartment that has in-wall wiring and Ethernet ports in every room, and I’m interested in setting up a more streamlined network infrastructure.

I’ve read the initial post about using a Nokia XS-010X-Q (XGS-PON-Bridge) and a UniFi Dream Machine Pro as a gateway/router. However, I’m curious if it’s possible to go a step further and fully rely on a Dream Wall or Dream Machine without needing any external modem like the Nokia XS-010X-Q or the Swisscom modem.

My Questions:

Is it technically feasible to bypass any external modems and fully rely on the Dream Wall/Dream Machine for a Swisscom 10Gbit connection?
If it’s not possible, what are the technical limitations preventing this setup?

I understand that the initial post outlines a solution with bridging, but I’m keen to explore if there’s a way to make the setup even leaner by eliminating the need for an external modem altogether.

I’d really appreciate any insights or experiences you can share on this matter. Thank you so much for your time and help!

Best regards

bitracer

Technically it’s feasible. The issue is more that Swisscom only allows certified devices in XGS-PON (P2MP) setting. Currently there are no SFP+ modules certified by Swisscom.

Nempofleuk52

Thank you for your quick response and for shedding light on the certification issue with Swisscom and XGS-PON.

Given that there are no SFP+ modules currently certified by Swisscom, what would be my options if I still want to proceed with a Dream Wall or Dream Machine setup? What is your suggested configuration that could make a setup with unifi feasible, given I am not interested in Wifi/FW etc. by Swisscom?

bitracer

You need a certified device that can be put in bridged mode and can do 10Gbe. Nokia is the best candidate as it’s designed specifically for this purpose.

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